tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post1282544432522901493..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: The new guidelines; a summary to dateSimon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-58563163517908165512010-11-17T04:58:39.471-08:002010-11-17T04:58:39.471-08:00Mrs Anon.
You write most eloquently.
Far better ...Mrs Anon. <br />You write most eloquently. <br />Far better than my dog ever could. <br />Hence I conclude you cannot be my most beloved canine but I know for sure you are not the person the 'misinformer' says you might be!bornjoyfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005689908041521904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48180965845308854552010-11-17T04:47:59.385-08:002010-11-17T04:47:59.385-08:00"Of course Simon can trace all posters if he ..."Of course Simon can trace all posters if he so wishes as the original email will come up and through this you can trace the IP address"<br /><br />Can he? How does this work then? I thought you needed a warrant to gain that sort of information from an ISP? Knowing an IP address is one thing, finding out who is currently making use of the IP address is something else entirely as far as I know (which may not be much!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-8381658249417831702010-11-16T23:44:48.796-08:002010-11-16T23:44:48.796-08:00'I must go back and read up on the opinions of...'I must go back and read up on the opinions of this Mrs Anon. Does she tend to agree with Simon about registration matters hence the insinuation?'<br /><br />Nope.<br /><br />'My dog is called Anan - maybe she is really Mrs Anon?'<br /><br />Wrong again.<br /><br />I keep telling people, I'm Nobody.<br />Mrs AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-90854244828912690512010-11-16T07:46:38.118-08:002010-11-16T07:46:38.118-08:00No actually you have not given that impression . N...No actually you have not given that impression . Nor are you shocked by strong accusations or making them . Mercy be! Simon Webbs blog the epitome of free speech! arghhh!bornjoyfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005689908041521904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-43882968560339390892010-11-16T07:00:39.845-08:002010-11-16T07:00:39.845-08:00'Simon my most devious nemesis and fellow fish...'Simon my most devious nemesis and fellow fishwife could you indicate whether on your blog in the name of 'free speech' is it ok to use the word 'feck'? You are welcome to bleep it out .'<br /><br />Tania, you and anybody else can use any words you like here. I hope that I have not given anybody the impression that I am genteel and shocked by strong language?Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-15515896063814204512010-11-16T06:23:21.234-08:002010-11-16T06:23:21.234-08:00Ah I see ! I agree it is not sinister at all. What...Ah I see ! I agree it is not sinister at all. What a let down for some people.<br />So is there must be rumour making the rounds that Mrs Anon is one of the guidelines group. I must go back and read up on the opinions of this Mrs Anon. Does she tend to agree with Simon about registration matters hence the insinuation? My dog is called Anan - maybe she is really Mrs Anon? Of course Simon can trace all posters if he so wishes as the original email will come up and through this you can trace the IP address<br /><br />At any rate, the 'accounts' sent to Simon show sweet feck all but this is not the true accounts for the past 5 years...no matter I am sure Mr Sauer will come and correct this misapprehension about his families generated income if he can be bothered.<br /><br />Simon my most devious nemesis and fellow fishwife could you indicate whether on your blog in the name of 'free speech' is it ok to use the word 'feck'? You are welcome to bleep it out .bornjoyfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12005689908041521904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-16823275184540261432010-11-16T01:14:27.253-08:002010-11-16T01:14:27.253-08:00'I am as usual, a bit confused here - I though...'I am as usual, a bit confused here - I thought the main point that Simon was making wasn't the accounts themselves '<br /><br />That was indeed the point which I was making, Julie. The accounts simply show that not much is going on in Alison Sauer's company, but this is not in itself sinister! Since the email to me was headed, 'Financial Motive', I took this to mean that because the company is not flourishing, it gave Alison Sauer a motive for becoming involved in the Graham Stuart project. Somebody has obviously gone to the trouble of obtaining them and then sending them to me in the hope that I will link them here to Mrs Anon. This is very rum indeed!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-67848965725515441912010-11-16T00:37:16.731-08:002010-11-16T00:37:16.731-08:00I am as usual, a bit confused here - I thought the...I am as usual, a bit confused here - I thought the main point that Simon was making wasn't the accounts themselves (which I have also seen and which don't appear at all exciting or illuminating, or of any particular use in deciding Alision's motives etc) but the fact that someone is distributing them at all and futhermore wrongly identifying them as being Mrs Anon's of this blog (who certainly isn't Alison).<br /><br />The only thing this seems to prove is that something very odd is going on indeed, and whatever Simon may have done/been accused of having done in the past, this is not his work and is even odder (and I am not one given to conspiracy theories at all!)Julie the confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-28603213108490030882010-11-16T00:24:44.432-08:002010-11-16T00:24:44.432-08:00The guidelines rewrite will hopefully take the ...The guidelines rewrite will hopefully take the 'mishmash' which Simon admits is confusing and muddled and clarify it.<br /><br />So what wil these new guidelines say? its a complete waste of time!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-15201621749013543362010-11-16T00:22:51.977-08:002010-11-16T00:22:51.977-08:00'The numbers on that document you were sent ar...'The numbers on that document you were sent are not the actual numbers...they are 'zero' because the person who sent the info to you did not pay to get the full account details from Company House.'<br /><br />Obvious to see that you have little experience of financial matters! In fact Sauer Consultancy claimed exemption as a small company from sending in their full accounts. However much money I sent to Companies House, they would not send me the full accounts because they do not have them themselves. The reserves of this company are currently around £5000, which in itself suggests that they are not very busy!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-29121298332476464182010-11-15T15:01:35.268-08:002010-11-15T15:01:35.268-08:00Oh just go do the leg work Webb! It will only cot...Oh just go do the leg work Webb! It will only cots you a few bob. I just prepaid for a copy of your blasted book so use that money and buy yourself a coffee on me with the remainder ;>)<br /><br />The numbers on that document you were sent are not the actual numbers...they are 'zero' because the person who sent the info to you did not pay to get the full account details from Company House. I am happy to bet my grandmas knickers that the business is flourishing but that you will not be able to tell from the more detailed Company House reports whose income is whose between the husband and wife.<br />Maybe the person who sent the info was trying to show support for Alison by asking you to tell the world that no money had been made this year thereby thinking they were disproving any 'rent seeking' allegations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-60071654289451372442010-11-15T14:52:38.852-08:002010-11-15T14:52:38.852-08:00'I have a copy of this 'misinformation'...'I have a copy of this 'misinformation'.'<br /><br />The misinformation to which I referred was the attempt to persuade people that Mrs Anon who comments here and Alison Sauer are the same person. They are not.<br /><br />I don't think that there si anything dubious about Sauer Consultancy or its accounts. Only that the company does not seem to be flourishing. <br /><br />'Technically if it really were zero, then this company is showing insolvency or near insolvency.<br /><br />If this was the case will the Sauers be accused of being homeless or destitute , oh my!'<br /><br />I have no reason to suppose that this company is the only source of income for the Alison and Ralph Sauer.<br /><br />'So anyone paying the small amount of dosh to companies house would not be able to discern between the 2 incomes.'<br /><br />This has nothing to so with anybody's income, only the affairs of the company.<br /><br />''The credit rating is not great either'. Does this mean they are behind on their instalments for the new plasma screen ? No, it just means that they are not great global consumers and do not much like the use of credit cards or take out loans which charge exorbitant rates. Credit ratings fall if you do not borrow money.'<br /><br />Bit of confusion here about a company's credit rating and how an individual's credit rating is calculated.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-5335157845409722022010-11-15T14:06:51.761-08:002010-11-15T14:06:51.761-08:00continuation.....
Here is the background informat...continuation.....<br /><br />Here is the background information. Alison's husband is a successful project manager in the chemicals industry with international credentials . They both own The Sauer Consultancy Ltd.<br /><br />Please note Mr Webb that it is not 'Sauer Consulting' – that mistake should only be reserved for Graham Badman who made the same error.<br /><br />Now as is wont twixt husband and wife , they file jointly.So anyone paying the small amount of dosh to companies house would not be able to discern between the 2 incomes.<br /><br />Alison Sauer has trained staff from about 30 different LAs. This does not mean all staff from each LA are required to attend nor indeed to listen.<br /><br />There has been little opportunity for training since Badman and even less opportunity in this budget-scarce economy.<br /><br />The guidelines rewrite will hopefully take the 'mishmash' which Simon admits is confusing and muddled and clarify it. Unless it is just Simon who is admitting to be a bear of little brain and everyone else is absolutely clear on all the various Acts, SI's Statutory Guidance and Guidelines?<br /><br />If guidelines are clearer so that LAs don't fudge or mess them up , as some are wont to do, then there would be even less opportunity for training as they will not need any.<br /><br /> Guidelines are there to interpret law so LAs ignore them at their peril especially if the current government is backing them and enough home educators demand that they be adhered to . Unless of course a Local Authority wishes to prove they are interpreting the law in an equal or better way in a court of law or with the ombudsman.<br /><br />As for Ralph Lucas, the good Lord of Crudwell and Dingwall, he is a man with a great sense of humour. He would possibly be first to admit that humour was needed with a title such as his and in his dealing with home educators over the past year or so he must have honed his wit considerably.<br /><br />It does not hold in evidence that he took a slap from both sides. Only one side. As for his 'staying power' now that is getting a little too personal don't you think?<br /><br /> As regards his silence on "that" forum - I think he quickly realised that he was probably wasting his time. Maybe he also didn't feel like doffing his cap or tugging his forelock to folk who clearly were not willing to be civil or engage. <br /><br />Could it be that I sniff a new blog post coming from the Lord who has tried his darndest to understand as much as he could about home education over the past 2 years-he went from 0-60 in as many months and is a man well aquainted with the 'politicking' that goes on in every group in the world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-30959251563860447902010-11-15T14:00:42.622-08:002010-11-15T14:00:42.622-08:00Everyone has been told on more than one occassi...Everyone has been told on more than one occassion, that no money is being paid and no companies have been commissioned. Not even expenses for all the phone calls!<br /><br />Simon I am shocked that you post information about a persons accounts from someone you yourself called 'unreliable'. Surely if this unreliable person had at least done the job properly and paid Companies House the measly sum (£5.00) required you would have made the accounts available for all to see?<br /><br />Why not 'drop' Alison Sauer in it if there was anything dubious to show?<br /><br />It seems therefore that there is nothing untoward at all to show.<br /><br />I have a copy of this 'misinformation'.<br /><br />It is not a paid for document and it therefore shows zero income for the last 5 years .<br /><br />Technically if it really were zero, then this company is showing insolvency or near insolvency.<br /><br />If this was the case will the Sauers be accused of being homeless or destitute , oh my!<br /><br />How could they pay the mortgage or indeed feed and cloth the kids with zero income?<br /><br />'The credit rating is not great either'. Does this mean they are behind on their instalments for the new plasma screen ? No, it just means that they are not great global consumers and do not much like the use of credit cards or take out loans which charge exorbitant rates. Credit ratings fall if you do not borrow money. <br /><br />I am sure enquiring minds want to hear more of an explanation. I am tempted to say go and pay Companies House yourselves but will delegate Simon with the task as he is the 'investigative ' journalist .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-66815165999423723602010-11-15T13:42:49.423-08:002010-11-15T13:42:49.423-08:00Wildly OT question on the side just in case anybod...Wildly OT question on the side just in case anybody knows<br /><br />What happened in the end to Oak Reah ?<br /><br />Did he go back to school or did the parents comply and that was the end of it ?<br /><br />Did he grow up to be a home educator too, or did he change his name to Barry and become a geography teacher complete with leather elbow patches ?<br /><br />I keep reading the Donaldson stuff and get left wondering how it all worked out for them in the end.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-11623255777553966782010-11-15T10:09:28.316-08:002010-11-15T10:09:28.316-08:00"No, I was just responding to this assertion:..."No, I was just responding to this assertion:<br /><br /><br />'The guidelines are basically a summary of the law so they cannot be ignored in that sense.'"<br /><br />But they basically are, with the addition of practice examples. The guidelines make it clear when they are describing law that LAs are required to obey and examples of how that law might work in practice. Still not sure how the law could be interpreted differently from the bit you quoted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-88465452954662798812010-11-15T09:57:03.222-08:002010-11-15T09:57:03.222-08:00who is Tanya? never heard of her untill Webb star...who is Tanya? never heard of her untill Webb started tlking about her.What is she and what does she do?Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-91335776659474951352010-11-15T09:52:48.320-08:002010-11-15T09:52:48.320-08:00'So you are in favour of a straightforward det...'So you are in favour of a straightforward detailing of the applicable laws without examples of possible practice? '<br /><br />No, I was just responding to this assertion:<br /><br /><br />'The guidelines are basically a summary of the law so they cannot be ignored in that sense.'Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-15294917492801961132010-11-15T09:32:26.952-08:002010-11-15T09:32:26.952-08:00"There is nothing in the relevant legislation..."There is nothing in the relevant legislation about pictures, paintings or models! This is the writer's interpretation of the law."<br /><br />So you are in favour of a straightforward detailing of the applicable laws without examples of possible practice? Possibly more like the 'Elective Home Education - Legal Guidelines', jointly compiled by many home educators about 10 years ago but brought up to date?<br /><br />http://www.home-education.org.uk/ehelg.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-35072678175566187402010-11-15T09:17:37.763-08:002010-11-15T09:17:37.763-08:00"new world order fan?"
Somebody who bel..."new world order fan?"<br /><br />Somebody who believes this conspiracy therory is true, as far as I can work out.<br /><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)<br /><br /><br />Although, I have a nagging feeling there was a band in the 80s that went by the same name.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-25798027815437317802010-11-15T08:16:45.736-08:002010-11-15T08:16:45.736-08:00What is a new world order fan?What is a new world order fan?Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-60465944091398287632010-11-15T07:16:05.720-08:002010-11-15T07:16:05.720-08:00"I haven't noticed Tanya saying she belie..."I haven't noticed Tanya saying she believed in a 'New World Order'"<br /><br />I read it as the other way round, that the some of the people arguing with her are new world order fans.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-34775532631143920852010-11-15T05:56:41.895-08:002010-11-15T05:56:41.895-08:00You ask where I see scope for interpretation. the ...You ask where I see scope for interpretation. the bits which I psoted are almost entirely waffly interpretation. For instance:<br /><br />Some parents may welcome the opportunity to discuss the provision that they are making for the child’s education during a home visit but parents are not legally required to give the local authority access to their home. They may choose to meet a local authority representative at a mutually convenient and neutral location instead, with or without the child being present, or choose not to meet at all.<br /><br />3.11 Local authorities should bear in mind that, in the early stages, parents’ plans may not be detailed and they may not yet be in a position to demonstrate all the characteristics of an “efficient and suitable” educational provision.<br /><br />3.14 It is important to recognise that there are many, equally valid, approaches to educational provision. Local authorities should, therefore, consider a wide range of information from home educating parents, in a range of formats. The information may be in the form of specific examples of learning e.g. pictures/paintings/models, diaries of educational activity,<br />projects, assessments, samples of work, books, educational visits etc.<br /><br />There is nothing in the relevant legislation about pictures, paintings or models! This is the writer's interpretation of the law.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-18871699353942687562010-11-15T05:39:44.198-08:002010-11-15T05:39:44.198-08:00"In fact they are an intepretation of the law..."In fact they are an intepretation of the law, which is quite another matter."<br /><br />The law seems pretty straightforward. Where do you see scope for interpretation? <br /><br />"There was quite a bit of discussion when York Consulting began doing their survey among the nine local authorities. There was nothing secretive about it."<br /><br />We didn't hear anything about the first draft of the guidelines though and I'm reasonably sure no home educators were involved in drawing them up, so that's an improvement straight away.<br /><br />I still cannot see what they hope to achieve with the guidelines though. They can be ignored by LAs just as easily as they ignore the current guidelines and laws and they will not prevent future governments changing laws if they wish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-22938500525584176842010-11-15T05:16:48.759-08:002010-11-15T05:16:48.759-08:00Well I dont know what to think half the time becau...Well I dont know what to think half the time because with all the infighting, it makes it hard to figure out. For HEers who don't really know what's going on, all this 'he-said-she-said' nonsense make me think everyone is a liar. It doesn't present a good image of HE to outsiders either. <br /><br />I guess the way I see it, those trying to whip up a frenzy with conspiracy theories are really not very helpful. I haven't noticed Tanya saying she believed in a 'New World Order' but I am happy to look again at this if you can point me too it?<br /><br />In the meantime, I feel I couldn't possibly be for, or against, a guideline document that I haven't even seen so for now I am going to have to take the middle line and avoid extremes in either direction.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016760153402908872noreply@blogger.com