tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post1695744742576207646..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: 'School-at-Home'Simon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-42340806970228437172012-08-17T17:16:10.444-07:002012-08-17T17:16:10.444-07:00My daughter forms a timetable because it helps her...My daughter forms a timetable because it helps her. Otherwise, she finds the day runs away with doing a bit of make up, mucking about on the piano, watching a film, visiting friends or family. <br /><br />She has objectives and to meet them, she finds it easier to have a plan that she sticks to by dividing up the work that needs to be done by the number of weeks and sticking to it. <br /><br />Not a bad real world skill to be honest! There are plenty of business and project planning jobs out there. <br /><br />Sometimes, studying formally isn't so much about the material you study, as the skills you learn whilst doing so. Gizzienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-49184723676437788312012-07-20T15:58:10.590-07:002012-07-20T15:58:10.590-07:00" She did, but I don't think that it can ..." She did, but I don't think that it can have been true. Otherwise, why was it being sent to MPs, with instructions for the Department for Education to fill in various bits?"<br /><br />You think a government would produce government guidelines without the involvement of a government department? This seems highly unlikely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-19941075758562335872012-07-20T15:45:08.680-07:002012-07-20T15:45:08.680-07:00My that's a big chip on you shoulder.My that's a big chip on you shoulder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-31947213707274938092012-07-20T07:46:01.942-07:002012-07-20T07:46:01.942-07:00'The instruction to fill in bits was put it to...'The instruction to fill in bits was put it to enable discussion on the right wording which, as we are all well aware, is a huge problem for some people.'<br /><br />It was not really to enable discussion, those instructions were to Graham Stuart, asking him to get civil servants to research the taking of examinations and put together a glossary. I have the final draft of the document and it is all but identical to the one to which I posted a link.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-29789481605121134942012-07-20T07:15:49.573-07:002012-07-20T07:15:49.573-07:00Of course the unwashed masses would never have bee...Of course the unwashed masses would never have been allowed anywhere near such a document to correct it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-73785858377746000652012-07-20T02:57:16.376-07:002012-07-20T02:57:16.376-07:00As I understand it, it was true once. Then became ...As I understand it, it was true once. Then became untrue as it seemed that the government decided not to run with the idea. <br />The instruction to fill in bits was put it to enable discussion on the right wording which, as we are all well aware, is a huge problem for some people.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016760153402908872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-21838549598521432992012-07-20T02:21:16.546-07:002012-07-20T02:21:16.546-07:00'I think it was Tania Barlow who made it clear...'I think it was Tania Barlow who made it clear repeatedly on various email lists and forums at the time that the document was intended only as a basis for consultation. Sorry if I've got the name wrong.'<br /><br />She did, but I don't think that it can have been true. Otherwise, why was it being sent to MPs, with instructions for the Department for Education to fill in various bits?Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-28531653486664730702012-07-20T01:11:18.524-07:002012-07-20T01:11:18.524-07:00BTW, they have described the autonomous education ...BTW, they have described the autonomous education approach incorrectly in the document in my view, but I didn't get all hot and bothered despite following this approach myself. If the consultation had not happened or they had failed to correct their error I may have felt differently, but we are all human and humans make mistakes, which is presumably why they planned to consult further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-41046403499441280872012-07-20T01:00:34.565-07:002012-07-20T01:00:34.565-07:00" What some have already explained is that &#..." What some have already explained is that 'the described group' is probably a fiction." <br /><br />Some have also explained that they have met home educators who follow this approach so I can only assume you're decided they are liars or have not bothered to read their comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-91952666601705059102012-07-19T23:51:05.325-07:002012-07-19T23:51:05.325-07:00'Exactly, you don't belong to the describe...'Exactly, you don't belong to the described group so why are you so bothered?'<br /><br />Belonging or not to a particular group has no bearing on whether it was wrong for the writers to do what they did. Several people have expressed their annoyance in this thread. Not all anonymouses are the same person.<br /><br />What some have already explained is that 'the described group' is probably a fiction. However, we are only going over old ground, so I will leave it there. <br /><br />I am sure you will want to continue, however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-4265136200701327222012-07-19T12:58:45.366-07:002012-07-19T12:58:45.366-07:00" I haven't explained what 'group'..." I haven't explained what 'group' I belong to. I'm actually not sure I am in one."<br /><br />Exactly, you don't belong to the described group so why are you so bothered?<br /><br />I think it was Tania Barlow who made it clear repeatedly on various email lists and forums at the time that the document was intended only as a basis for consultation. Sorry if I've got the name wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-52620553719739355102012-07-19T12:22:44.684-07:002012-07-19T12:22:44.684-07:00'They were labelling and defining a group that...'They were labelling and defining a group that you clearly do not belong to, so why are you so bothered?'<br /><br />I haven't explained what 'group' I belong to. I'm actually not sure I am in one.<br /><br />That's interesting that you believe the intention was to put the document up for consultation. I hadn't read that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-62168368316429380162012-07-19T07:53:54.440-07:002012-07-19T07:53:54.440-07:00They were labelling and defining a group that you ...They were labelling and defining a group that you clearly do not belong to, so why are you so bothered? Should they have mentioned only autonomous education and left LA employees to conclude that this is the only approach followed in the UK? The intention was to put the document out for consultation. This would have given those who follow the approach described under the school at home label an opportunity to correct any errors and choose an alternative name if desired. And likewise, you could have corrected any errors for your style of HE if you wished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-5162845034555653372012-07-19T06:05:17.657-07:002012-07-19T06:05:17.657-07:00Very true, Julie.
I had no idea that governesses ...Very true, Julie.<br /><br />I had no idea that governesses still existed!Old Mumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-80816796313918896152012-07-19T05:59:09.549-07:002012-07-19T05:59:09.549-07:00You're not quite following, are you? The objec...You're not quite following, are you? The objection was to one group of home educators trying to label and define the approach of another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-55673552138321594522012-07-19T05:05:51.199-07:002012-07-19T05:05:51.199-07:00To be honest, I'm not that bothered what they ...To be honest, I'm not that bothered what they call home education. Why are you so obsessed with names?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-1572290962733204562012-07-19T04:49:44.869-07:002012-07-19T04:49:44.869-07:00It's a US term, for a style of education that ...It's a US term, for a style of education that occurs there. That's the point. I'm sure you wouldn't like your HE being described as 'homeschooling' in offical guidelines, would you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-68598254746966509672012-07-19T01:31:30.838-07:002012-07-19T01:31:30.838-07:00"This site is owned by an American woman livi..."This site is owned by an American woman living in the UK, but doing HE in the American way. The 'school at home' writer is from South Africa. This is hardly an example of UK home education."<br /><br />The guidelines were aimed at LA employees who might have contact with home educators, including this family. Our education laws apply to them as much as they do to people born in this country. I don't see your point. They live in this country now so they are UK home educators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-37062661639706633872012-07-19T01:26:19.051-07:002012-07-19T01:26:19.051-07:00So you don't like the phrase even if it's ...So you don't like the phrase even if it's used in a positive way and some home educators living in this country and covered by our laws and guidelines use the description themselves about their own home education?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-18619423238266405342012-07-19T01:17:46.694-07:002012-07-19T01:17:46.694-07:00So because they originally came from a different c...So because they originally came from a different country they are not UK home educators? That sounds a bit racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48750349145617432932012-07-19T00:59:36.987-07:002012-07-19T00:59:36.987-07:00'OFSTED described ACE teaching practice as ...'OFSTED described ACE teaching practice as 'a modern version of a monks cell in a medieval monestary'<br /><br />To be fair, this was the curriculum being taught in a school. There are partitions to separate the children and those with questions for the teacher, raise a little flag to attract attention. This is less to do with the curriculum and more the method of teaching it in some particular schools.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-58414767524620072812012-07-19T00:59:02.965-07:002012-07-19T00:59:02.965-07:00This site is owned by an American woman living in ...This site is owned by an American woman living in the UK, but doing HE in the American way. The 'school at home' writer is from South Africa. This is hardly an example of UK home education. You are going to have to try harder than that to prove that people here call their home education 'school at home'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-56321084946647416902012-07-18T23:31:22.610-07:002012-07-18T23:31:22.610-07:00In the past ACE was both racist and homophobic.In the past ACE was both racist and homophobic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-30164466312029151062012-07-18T23:30:10.761-07:002012-07-18T23:30:10.761-07:00OFSTED described ACE teaching practice as 'a m...OFSTED described ACE teaching practice as 'a modern version of a monks cell in a medieval monestary'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-26883971722895788432012-07-18T23:21:59.005-07:002012-07-18T23:21:59.005-07:00In 2001, the BBC made a report concerning a home s...In 2001, the BBC made a report concerning a home schooler that had been convicted of child cruelty. The child had been home educated through the ACE curriculum since the age of 10, and had experienced little contact with the outside world..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com