tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post3548997961154435910..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: The origin of the British home education 'movement'; Part 1Simon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-49643675056507869582013-01-25T23:12:10.073-08:002013-01-25T23:12:10.073-08:00'There is no point going over old ground again...'There is no point going over old ground again.'<br /><br />That's hysterical, given how many old blog posts you regularly recyle here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-3827713338702222702013-01-25T14:27:29.168-08:002013-01-25T14:27:29.168-08:00"I would like to point out that the ideology ..."I would like to point out that the ideology which was current in the 1970s is still going strong among many members of the home educating ‘community’"<br /><br />Which ideology would that be then? Marxism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-71176617655650875572013-01-25T06:43:38.944-08:002013-01-25T06:43:38.944-08:00"I would like to point out that the ideology ..."I would like to point out that the ideology which was current in the 1970s is still going strong among many members of the home educating ‘community’"<br /><br />You cannot support your asserion that the person whose comment you quote is a home educator. I thought you couldn't abide sloppy thinking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-39657680374595594952013-01-24T22:53:18.012-08:002013-01-24T22:53:18.012-08:00Was Education Otherwise formed in 1868? Gosh, it&#...Was Education Otherwise formed in 1868? Gosh, it's easy to get confused around here. So much mash-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-6905807398319734232013-01-24T14:40:37.429-08:002013-01-24T14:40:37.429-08:00Simon wrote,
"The two men shared the same vie...Simon wrote,<br />"The two men shared the same views on education. Roughly, these were that school education was hopeless for practical survival. Instead of teaching children about quadratic equations and the date of the Battle of Waterloo, we should instead be showing them how to grow their own food, weave clothes and treat illnesses without needing doctors."<br /><br />Katto's quote on Wikipedia* suggests he was more open minded than Simon paints him:<br /><br />"As far as I'm concerned, E.O. does not have a particular kind of education to which it is committed. It is committed to the right of families to do what they want to do. It is a humans (sic) rights organisation. I don't feel we must do this, or we must do that. It is up to the members. To me it is not a specific thing where children have to run wild in the country, or have to pay visits to Winchester Cathedral, or anything else. There is this huge variation. Some people join EO in order to give their children a good classical education which they cannot get at school. I have a fundamental belief in the freedom of choice. We must all be allowed to make our own mistakes. We don't want to be dictated to by a curriculum from central government."<br /><br /><br />* Not sure why Wikipedia is looked down on so much here. Various studies have found that it compares well to other encyclopaedias. The 2012 pilot study by Epic, an e-learning consultancy, in partnership with Oxford University that compared 22 articles also agrees. It will be interesting to see the full study.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-57691230868214262872013-01-24T10:48:51.590-08:002013-01-24T10:48:51.590-08:00Please supprt your assertion that these two were l...Please supprt your assertion that these two were left wingers. And that means show references not just restate yourselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-38627896268196247442013-01-24T10:30:18.170-08:002013-01-24T10:30:18.170-08:00'Do you imagine that all self-sufficient ideol...'Do you imagine that all self-sufficient ideolgies are left wing/marxist/anti capitalist then?'<br /><br />Hardly. I mentioned the American survivalists in this post and I scarcely think that they could in general be described as left wing or Marxist! I am talking here of a particular time and place. If you are suggesting that Stan Windlass and Dick Kitto were not left wingers, then you do not perhaps know much about that era.<br /><br />Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-70986533736881284822013-01-24T09:45:08.070-08:002013-01-24T09:45:08.070-08:00Do you imagine that all self-sufficient ideolgies ...Do you imagine that all self-sufficient ideolgies are left wing/marxist/anti capitalist then? Chortle. Ignorance on show Simon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-7793823983621301352013-01-24T08:36:58.437-08:002013-01-24T08:36:58.437-08:00"It was not by chance that Education Otherwis..."It was not by chance that Education Otherwise began on an organic farm!" Of course it wasn't chance. Honestly you sound like you think you've uncovered a secret plot. Some people who espouse a philosophy of self reliance will naturally wish to make private arrangements for health, and education as well as food and energy. It's obvious if you think about it. A self reliant person would not wish to rely on bought in herbicides and pesticides, that contradicts the self reliant philosophy. A self reliant person would probably try to take care of their health and use alternatives to state healthcare when possible. A self reliant person might choose to make alternative arrangements to state education for their children. I'm not really sure what the big deal is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-3930519135095906562013-01-24T08:23:35.383-08:002013-01-24T08:23:35.383-08:00'So you have discovered that a minority of hom...<br />'So you have discovered that a minority of home educators espouse a certain philosophy and even *shock horror* that the founders of EO allegedly held a certain philosophy. A) It's hardly a scoop and B) So what?'<br /><br />I am surprised that you are so uninterested in the history of British home education. If this is the case, why on earth are you continuing to read about it? There are any number of blogs on the internet that you would probably enjoy more than this one.<br /><br />Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48971625731945112382013-01-24T08:18:04.963-08:002013-01-24T08:18:04.963-08:00'the Prussian Model'
I have already cover...'the Prussian Model'<br /><br />I have already covered the educational system in Prussia quite extensively on this blog, for example in the post below:<br /><br />http://homeeducationheretic.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/hitler-banned-home-eduction.html<br /><br />I am quite happy to discuss it again, but may I ask readers first to familiarise themselves with the Newcastle Report into the State of Popular Education in Britain, London 1861. There is no point going over old ground again.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-11888636681991736952013-01-24T08:15:19.281-08:002013-01-24T08:15:19.281-08:00"I am describing a minority faction within ho..."I am describing a minority faction within home education which I do not at all believe to be typical of the great majority of home educators in this country"<br /><br />So you have discovered that a minority of home educators espouse a certain philosophy and even *shock horror* that the founders of EO allegedly held a certain philosophy. A) It's hardly a scoop and B) So what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-57671196925098303042013-01-24T08:02:08.904-08:002013-01-24T08:02:08.904-08:00'Now what would be really interesting is if yo...'Now what would be really interesting is if you compared what you claim is the ethos underlying home ed - that of self reliance, independance, production rather than consumption'<br /><br /> <br />I am claiming nothing of the sort. I am describing a minority faction within home education which I do not at all believe to be typical of the great majority of home educators in this country; either now or forty years ago.<br /><br />'the Prussian Model'<br /><br />I have gone into this in exhaustive detail before, with reference to the Taunton Report of 1868 and Forster's Act. I have already been accused recently of talking irrelevantly about the past when I have mentioned 1974. What on earth would readers say if I now started going on about events in 1868? Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-37904637046538782602013-01-24T07:30:28.144-08:002013-01-24T07:30:28.144-08:00Yawn. Now what would be really interesting is if y...Yawn. Now what would be really interesting is if you compared what you claim is the ethos underlying home ed - that of self reliance, independance, production rather than consumption - to the ethos underlying our state education system - the Prussian Model. Both you and your readers might really learn soemthing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-38897858884634613572013-01-24T05:38:31.247-08:002013-01-24T05:38:31.247-08:00'"it just had to involve ‘organic food’…&...'"it just had to involve ‘organic food’…"<br /><br />Why?'<br /><br />I have begun today to explore the roots of the modern, British home education movement, by showing that it had its origins in the counter-culture of forty years ago. The founders of this movement were heavily involved in such things as organic horticulture and alternative medicine. It was not by chance that Education Otherwise began on an organic farm! These are themes which are still running strongly through the more militant and vociferous factions of the present day scene. If you will have a little patience, I shall be expanding upon this idea in later posts.<br /><br />Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-38972671702756193162013-01-24T04:59:03.044-08:002013-01-24T04:59:03.044-08:00"it just had to involve ‘organic food’…"..."it just had to involve ‘organic food’…"<br /><br />Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com