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So by people who can't be bothered to pu...@Loz<br /><br />So by people who can't be bothered to put any effort into anything you mean people who can't be bothered to sort out problems at school? Hmmm. Still not sure I can see any of them wanting their kids at home all day.suzygnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-6397652162749923432011-03-22T09:34:14.747-07:002011-03-22T09:34:14.747-07:00Lozsays I could go on all day
im sure you would! ...Lozsays I could go on all day<br /><br />im sure you would! at the end of the day who really cares if a few kids are not geting an education? our M.Ps? dont think so their to busy looking after their kids/family what about the public? dont think their care to much so long as their kid can get to school! the truth is no one really gives a dam! and does it really matter if a few children are not geting an education? how many people we got in UK over 70 million?Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-72051514396778227752011-03-22T09:12:15.807-07:002011-03-22T09:12:15.807-07:00Simon wrote,
"This is putting the case mildly...Simon wrote,<br />"This is putting the case mildly! Those who advocate structured education are sometimes viewed as being little better than child abusers on certain lists."<br /><br />I've seen a few posts about structured style learning on the UKHE and EO list recently and the reaction has been fine. What list/s are you talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-51842710173282320852011-03-22T08:52:19.455-07:002011-03-22T08:52:19.455-07:00'I'm intrigued as to why you would think o...'I'm intrigued as to why you would think of HE as an easy route and at what point you think sufficient effort has been put into resolving matters.' <br /><br />I didnt say I thought HE was the easy route..I said what we DONT want is for the choice to home educate to BE SEEN as the easy route out of mainstream education.<br />In other words..we dont want people to be sitting at home thinking<br />"golly gosh..this homework is terrible hard for my little jonny..so I think I'll home educate him, as he wont have to do homework then"<br /><br />or<br /><br />"Crikey, the teachers are expecting alot of my little jonny these days...I think I'll home educate because I wont ask as much of him"<br /><br />or<br /><br />"Heavens above, my little jonny is always getting called names, and I just dont know how to approach the teachers about it...so i think I'll home educate him, because then I wont have to bother with trying to resolve matters at the school" <br /><br />or<br /><br />"Oh crumbs..My poor little jonny just doesnt like his school, because he is shy, and the teachers have far too many other children who are more demanding of their time to even notice him. And I've tried asking them to help, but they can't for numerous reasons...so I think i'll home educate because then little jonny can continue being as shy as he likes"<br /><br />I could go on all day, however the point I am trying to make is that there are people out there, that just can't be bothered to put effort into anything these days, and THEY are the ones most likely to see HE as being an easy option, compared with having to try other things first.<br /><br />I juggle both worlds...I know the difficulties, and would consider myself the last person t claim HE is an easy route. <br /><br />Hope that makes sense. :)Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092386208324357836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-77965014508843463682011-03-22T08:46:04.009-07:002011-03-22T08:46:04.009-07:00'You do have a point. However I would say from...'You do have a point. However I would say from personal experience that the reaction to those who attempt to do that is not always favourable.'<br /><br />This is putting the case mildly! Those who advocate structured education are sometimes viewed as being little better than child abusers on certain lists.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-74937347709549841952011-03-22T08:16:38.012-07:002011-03-22T08:16:38.012-07:00"I can't help wondering why the AE end of..."I can't help wondering why the AE end of the spectrum are more willing to share their experiences online than the parent-led end of the spectrum."<br /><br />You do have a point. However I would say from personal experience that the reaction to those who attempt to do that is not always favourable.Samanthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-64633395317256258252011-03-22T07:48:06.828-07:002011-03-22T07:48:06.828-07:00old Webb says-For many, the state education system...old Webb says-For many, the state education system is about as tightly a run monopoly as one can find; rather like the old Soviet Union. It is true that under such circumstances, 'choice' is a chimera. <br /><br />But you and your daughter wanted to force many home educated children back to that Soviet union style education system.Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-50031352965756046872011-03-22T07:48:01.316-07:002011-03-22T07:48:01.316-07:00Obviously I can't be sure because I don't ...Obviously I can't be sure because I don't know everyone but in my experience (for the county I live in) there has been a huge rise in the numbers of home educators over the last year/18 months. Interestingly (to me at least) the biggest rise seems to be in the number of people home educating their children from the start. Prior to that it seemed to be a huge rise in those taking their children out of school to home educate. <br /> 6 years ago when I started visiting home ed groups with my daughter there were 2 groups a month and maybe 3 or 4 trips a month organised county wide. A couple of weeks ago I was looking at the list and there were 4 meetings and 10 trips in the one week. Obviously not everyone does all of them but that is a normal week where we are and is only sustainable because of the massive increase in the numbers of home educators.Reading is coolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13995720375536572889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-80987188386888118202011-03-22T06:45:35.008-07:002011-03-22T06:45:35.008-07:00'But if there are bottlenecks in the system - ...'But if there are bottlenecks in the system - only one railway line or one set of cables or school system; or if consumers can't access alternative producers or suppliers - other schools are too far away or oversubscribed, for example, then the market model breaks down'<br /><br />Well of course, this too is true. For many, the state education system is about as tightly a run monopoly as one can find; rather like the old Soviet Union. It is true that under such circumstances, 'choice' is a chimera.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-16046548393626327592011-03-22T06:40:50.469-07:002011-03-22T06:40:50.469-07:00Loz said:
'What we don't want is for the ...Loz said:<br /><br />'What we don't want is for the choice to HE to be seen as an easy route out of mainstream education, as opposed to resolving matters the old fashioned way.'<br /><br />I'm intrigued as to why you would think of HE as an easy route and at what point you think sufficient effort has been put into resolving matters. <br /><br />The impression I get is that most of what Simon would call 'ordinary' parents would freak out at the thought of educating their children at home, and many home educating parents would baulk at the idea of calling it 'easy'. <br /><br />Many parents report doing so only as a desperate last resort, often resorted to only when they and their children were at the end of their tether. Perhaps the home educators we've met are a different bunch to the ones you've met.suzygnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-53605049427037077542011-03-22T06:33:34.209-07:002011-03-22T06:33:34.209-07:00Simon said
'The market competition model kick...Simon said<br /><br />'The market competition model kicks in here, in that you are being offered an inferior service which you feel that you could accomplish better yourself. You are free to do so. This is essentially why I also chose to edcuate my own child. If enough people did this, then presumably the poor service providers would eventually be forced to change their ways! '<br /><br />Market competition works only if there are multiple producers, multiple suppliers and customers have equal access to all of them. That's why food and household goods and books and some commodities fit the supply and demand model well.<br /><br />But if there are bottlenecks in the system - only one railway line or one set of cables or school system; or if consumers can't access alternative producers or suppliers - other schools are too far away or oversubscribed, for example, then the market model breaks down.<br /><br />Many parents aren't in a position to move house or change schools or home educate their children - so they don't have a choice to exercise.<br /><br />And, as we have seen, when the number of children being home educated is sufficiently large as to come to the attention of government, the response is not to address the issues that are moving parents to make this 'choice', but to regulate home education!suzygnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-43576067611777257622011-03-22T05:52:48.018-07:002011-03-22T05:52:48.018-07:00Interestingly, we are "losing" 2 of our ...Interestingly, we are "losing" 2 of our home ed families this term - both bright, motivated children, but both with families who are worried about whether they can get all the grades the child needs at home. One (who is aiming for medicine) has got a 13+ place at a good public schol (and a bursary!) the other will go into their local schoool, which isn't great, but the girl is well motivated and will hopefully flourish.<br /><br />At the same time,their places have been taken up by children coming out of school....Julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-17300936399077952552011-03-22T05:45:32.402-07:002011-03-22T05:45:32.402-07:00Loz says-I never claimed that the choices were goo...Loz says-I never claimed that the choices were good ones, or easy ones, I merely stated that there ARE choices. And some of those choices are going to suit some better than others. <br /><br />so we can have choices knowing full well that choices are not very good? and if we dont like the choices to bad? where is the forward thinking wanting to inprove things for all children from you? <br /><br /> you alos say-If fewer and fewer people are willing to try and resolve matters within a mainstream setting<br /><br />people do try to resolve matters but often the School and LEA wont listen what would you do if a school refused to listen to you? and you then find that the LEA wont listen to you what would you do? just wait and hope? im afraid in many cases the LEA/schools are just not intersted in resolving a problem and you can tell when you talk to them that there do not care about the problems you may be having so it is no wonder that parents say i had enough of this and with draw their child! what we want is a frist class education system not the shoddy service we often get!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-43532749919957338232011-03-22T05:41:10.741-07:002011-03-22T05:41:10.741-07:00"However, just as there are many HE support l..."However, just as there are many HE support lists whereby one may share information about day trips, HE family life, LEA protocol, and autonomous methods of education, there does not seem to be the equivalent in terms of how to go about preparing a formal set up for children. Instead you are right: one has to work this out for oneself and ones child without advice from anybody in a trial an error fashion."<br /><br />From the little research there on the subject, it looks as though most home educators use a mix of parent and child-led education with a few at each end of the spectrum providing primarily parent-led or primarily child-led/autonomous education. If, as you say, autonomous educators write more about their methods than parent-led educators (can't say myself as I've not looked), I can't help wondering why the AE end of the spectrum are more willing to share their experiences online than the parent-led end of the spectrum. I believe Simon and Loz both follow a more parent-led approach. Maybe you should be asking them (and others who follow similar approaches) why they don't give as much help and information about their methods to fellow home educators?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-19457722105988062882011-03-22T04:54:51.781-07:002011-03-22T04:54:51.781-07:00'HE in this country is therefore more continge...'HE in this country is therefore more contingent upon you being a certain kind of person - slightly anarchist for e.g. It does not appear to be one in a set of educational options open to the lay (normal?) person.'<br /><br />In short, home educating parents in this country often end up taking advice for cranks and complete maniacs. This is true.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-56162519660092415042011-03-22T04:54:39.815-07:002011-03-22T04:54:39.815-07:00@suzyg
I agree with you. However, there still rem...@suzyg<br /><br />I agree with you. However, there still remains the issue that HE is not for everyone. <br />One can choose to send their child to school, or educate them at home if this suits better.<br />If one has had problems with the mainstream school system, they can 'choose' to HE.<br /><br />No one is forcing people to educate their children in schools or private homes. <br />I made the 'choice' to HE my son. <br />I also made the choice to keep my other son in mainstream school. <br />If mainstream school became an impossible option, then I could 'choose' to either try and resolve whatever problems there were, change schools, or HE.<br /><br />I never claimed that the choices were good ones, or easy ones, I merely stated that there ARE choices. And some of those choices are going to suit some better than others. <br /><br />What we don't want is for the choice to HE to be seen as an easy route out of mainstream education, as opposed to resolving matters the old fashioned way. <br /><br />If fewer and fewer people are willing to try and resolve matters within a mainstream setting, and opt out of it altogether favouring HE instead, then actually being able to resolve things becomes a harder thing to do, because the mainstream system becomes less experienced at having to.Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092386208324357836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-4730931742935875182011-03-22T04:52:59.830-07:002011-03-22T04:52:59.830-07:00'Samantha said...
Simon my second post has al...'Samantha said... <br />Simon my second post has also disappeared. Is this just routine? Or am I only person to end up in your filter?'<br /><br />No, you are not the only person; but what criteria blogspot uses, I have no idea. Sorry, I will check this section more often.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-12314750208297313782011-03-22T04:51:22.634-07:002011-03-22T04:51:22.634-07:00'There are serious flaws in the concepts under...'There are serious flaws in the concepts underlying the system - a market competition model driven by hypothetical customer choice - and with the structure of the system itself that puts pressure on schools and LAs to behave in certain ways that are often not in the best interests of the child. '<br /><br />The market competition model kicks in here, in that you are being offered an inferior service which you feel that you could accomplish better yourself. You are free to do so. This is essentially why I also chose to edcuate my own child. If enough people did this, then presumably the poor service providers would eventually be forced to change their ways!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-82412590001474204862011-03-22T04:51:18.306-07:002011-03-22T04:51:18.306-07:00Simon my second post has also disappeared. Is this...Simon my second post has also disappeared. Is this just routine? Or am I only person to end up in your filter?Samanthanoreply@blogger.com