tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post4697549958210581296..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: Kelly Green; the overseas branch secretary of the 'secret group'Simon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-3614223742231656702011-01-04T07:07:31.634-08:002011-01-04T07:07:31.634-08:00I do think that to ask for 'privacy' when ...I do think that to ask for 'privacy' when engaging in work in the public sphere is a bit rich! No-one is asking for details of anyone's else's private life - just for the people doing this work to say who they are. I can't for the life of me understand why they don't.Alliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11321428226929318418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-36176972202070455982011-01-03T11:22:49.458-08:002011-01-03T11:22:49.458-08:00'Yes, there is simple reason for withholding i...'Yes, there is simple reason for withholding information, it is called privacy - something that you have no regard for other than your own.'<br /><br />The act of drawing up new guidelines to British law on home education might have an effect upon around one hundred thousand parents. This means that if the guidelines are adopted, these people will, for good or ill, be affected by what is being done. This will certainly affect their privacy. You seem to be saying that the group working on this should be left alone and no questions asked of them, because otherwise their privacy will be invaded?Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-25732436683067415982011-01-03T08:13:52.805-08:002011-01-03T08:13:52.805-08:00Oletko todella suomalainen? Luulin että olit saksa...Oletko todella suomalainen? Luulin että olit saksalainen.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-27309171703587597452011-01-03T06:20:15.114-08:002011-01-03T06:20:15.114-08:00I was explaining that I did and probably knew more...I was explaining that I did and probably knew more of it than you do yourself <br /><br />Oh lets try that, I was educated Uppsala university where I am still, four times a year, a visiting lecturer (after 27 years) and sometimes Associate Researcher for Behavioural Science and Educational Science. <br /><br />You are full of BS<br /><br />S. Liljegren<br /><br />PS want to switch to Swedish for the next round? (or Suomi - native speaker!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-30675006030128964332011-01-03T06:07:31.215-08:002011-01-03T06:07:31.215-08:00"I am pleased to hear this and delighted to b..."I am pleased to hear this and delighted to be proved wrong! Now tell us about the open group who are putting together the new guidelines. Who are they, what are their terms of reference, is their project officially sanctioned by Nick Gibb the Schools Minster?; just a few bits and pieces of information like that. After all, if this group is, as you say, not secret, there can be no reason to withhold any of this."<br /><br />Yes, there is simple reason for withholding information, it is called privacy - something that you have no regard for other than your own. <br /><br />Privacy from a scurrilous person called Simon Webb who berates everyone that doe not abide by his archaic doctrine with a castigation of lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-6276030661283229542011-01-03T01:24:37.248-08:002011-01-03T01:24:37.248-08:00'Maybe I've misunderstood what Simon meant...'Maybe I've misunderstood what Simon meant. Maybe Simon has other ideas for keeping LAs in line (beyond giving them what they want so they are happy to keep in line)?'<br /><br />I don't think that parents should allow local authorities to do what they want. I think that they should familiarise themselves with the legal sitaution and ensure that both they and the local authority observe the law. Since there is apparently no prospect of the law changing in the near future and since the 2007 guidelines et out the law with perfect clarity, I am a little foxed as to what it is which needs changing. Some LAs do not follow the strict letter of the law. This is not because they do not know the law or have never seen the 2007 guidelines. It is because they can get away with it. New guidelines will not change this. All that this fuss about new guidelines is likely to achieve is to reawaken the debate on home education itself. I am not sure if that is what many parents want.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-44329610190916248872011-01-03T01:19:47.426-08:002011-01-03T01:19:47.426-08:00'Anonymous said...
Actually I lived there dur...'Anonymous said... <br />Actually I lived there during the seventies. My first wife was Swedish<br /><br />yes sure, forty years ago <br /><br />Wake up webb '<br /><br />I was replying to this comment of yours;<br /><br />'Idiot: <br /><br />Following a forty year period of socialist control Sweden has an entrenched socialist civil service so changing governments has little effect. You know nothing about Sweden so either do some research or stop making things up.'<br /><br />You were suggesting that I knew nothing of Sweden or its socialist history. I was explaining that I did and probably knew more of it than you do yourself becaus I actually lived there and am in regular contact with family and friends in that country.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-59443249222600946132011-01-02T15:28:24.674-08:002011-01-02T15:28:24.674-08:00Actually I lived there during the seventies. My fi...Actually I lived there during the seventies. My first wife was Swedish<br /><br />yes sure, forty years ago <br /><br />Wake up webbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-79522518463903695432011-01-02T15:17:54.935-08:002011-01-02T15:17:54.935-08:00Julie, I know you didn't suggest that, I didn&...Julie, I know you didn't suggest that, I didn't suggest that you had. I quoted Simon. My comment was specifically addressed to the quoted text. Maybe I've misunderstood what Simon meant. Maybe Simon has other ideas for keeping LAs in line (beyond giving them what they want so they are happy to keep in line)?<br /><br />I also have doubts about the current guideline revision project, mainly that I don't think it will make any difference to the actions of LAs and, if there is the chance that it may reduce current freedoms if great care is not taken. However, at least they are trying and, combined with other activities that may follow from the guidelines (if there are any), they may help. Well, you never know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-65885655347167244112011-01-02T15:08:19.757-08:002011-01-02T15:08:19.757-08:00Anon above said "we would be abandoning many ...Anon above said "we would be abandoning many to their fate if we take a, 'keep our heads down, I'm all right Jack, don't rock the boat' type approach"<br /><br />- I am not suggesting that at all (nor are the others I am sure!)- - we should be pushing LAs to keep to the existing guidelines at all times. This is howver different from more national attempts to change the guidelines again.Julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-61291831883209822372011-01-02T14:30:38.582-08:002011-01-02T14:30:38.582-08:00"or with other local home educators."
s..."or with other local home educators."<br /><br />should have been:<br /><br />or have contact with other local home educators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-86304560610042316942011-01-02T14:29:43.365-08:002011-01-02T14:29:43.365-08:00"I would have thought that the best thing tha..."I would have thought that the best thing that home educators who wanted to be left alone could do, would be to keep quiet and get on with home educating."<br /><br />The problem there is that the home educators not in contact with others will be at the mercy of every rule their LA cares to make up. Strange as it sounds to regular users of the internet, not all home educators use the internet as regularly, not at least for contact with other home educators, or with other local home educators. Some of them may be happy to go with the flow and put up with what the LA 'requests', but I've spoken to enough people who belatedly found local groups or email lists and were glad to discover the real legal requirements, to fear that we would be abandoning many to their fate if we take a, 'keep our heads down, I'm all right Jack, don't rock the boat' type approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-21948654665625507592011-01-02T08:33:42.572-08:002011-01-02T08:33:42.572-08:00Julie and the last Anonymous are quite right.
LAs...Julie and the last Anonymous are quite right. <br />LAs should simply be pushed to stay within the current guidelines these are in the interests of LAs and HE families.<br /><br />ElizabethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-89539793529703754012011-01-02T07:20:48.802-08:002011-01-02T07:20:48.802-08:00Julie said,
"I am fairly sure that nearly all...Julie said,<br />"I am fairly sure that nearly all LAs want more control and may well be working in the opposite direction"<br /><br />I agree with your overall comment. With regard to this point, maybe it should be pointed out to LAs that the more control they are required to have in law the more they can be held to account if something goes wrong? Currently it is very rare for an LA to be successfully sued for a child's poor education because the parent's are legally responsible for provision. However, if they are given the power to veto a parent's provision, they effectively take on the responsibility for provision and also for failure to provide a suitable education. It may well be possible for a child to prove that the education they received prior to LA involvement was better.<br /><br />The same applies to safeguarding. At the moment they are only required to keep the safety and welfare of children in mind whilst carrying out existing duties. They are not given additional safeguarding duties beyond this 'consideration'. If they are given the specific duty to inspect for safety and welfare and then fail, they will be considered far more at fault than under the current system. In the Ishaq case the LA inspector could only be faulted for agreeing the education was suitable when clearly it was not. Under the previously proposed system, he would have been held to be at fault for far more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-61664281665761559482011-01-02T07:12:43.186-08:002011-01-02T07:12:43.186-08:00Your analysis is right on the button, Julie. I hav...Your analysis is right on the button, Julie. I have said before that this whole thing has a great capacity to backfire on those involved. The fallout could well affect all home educating parents. I would have thought that the best thing that home educators who wanted to be left alone could do, would be to keep quiet and get on with home educating.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-69779164867908339362011-01-02T06:17:05.338-08:002011-01-02T06:17:05.338-08:00Okay....
I think that whoever the people are who ...Okay....<br /><br />I think that whoever the people are who are woking on new guidelines clearly don't want to reveal themslves, and thus it is perfectly futile for Simon to keep going on and on about them in the vain hope they are going to confess as to who they are.<br /><br />Whether they are or are not a "group" at all is a bit academic too; we have been told some people are working with G Stuart to look at the guidelines again. Personally I am a little hesitant about this, for two reasons; the obvious one being that whatever they come up with may well fail to gain support from those not involved in the early stages. My main concern is that I am not sure that revisiting the guidelines will be productive; various posters pointed out that many LAs didn't stick to them because they didn't want to, not because they don't really understand them. Perhaps I am being unduly pessimistic, but I am afraid that more publicity for home educators may backfire on us;- pointing out that LAs are pretty powerless may not be a good thing, especially if the guidelines come to the fore at a time when some HE abuse story can be dragged up. I am fairly sure that nearly all LAs want more control and may well be working in the opposite direction, and somehow having everything up for debate again may well be counter productive in the longer term.Julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-13496665840721284262011-01-02T05:37:58.320-08:002011-01-02T05:37:58.320-08:00'THERE IS NO SECRET GROUP'
I am pleased t...'THERE IS NO SECRET GROUP'<br /><br />I am pleased to hear this and delighted to be proved wrong! Now tell us about the open group who are putting together the new guidelines. Who are they, what are their terms of reference, is their project officially sanctioned by Nick Gibb the Schools Minster?; just a few bits and pieces of information like that. After all, if this group is, as you say, not secret, there can be no reason to withhold any of this.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-18067208216417715462011-01-02T05:25:57.911-08:002011-01-02T05:25:57.911-08:00'I would not have described it as a socialist ...'I would not have described it as a socialist country. Sweden has not had a socialist government since 2006.<br /><br />Idiot: '<br /><br />Misleading quotation from my post. It was in fact France which I would not have described as a socialist country. It is prefectly true that Sweden had a socialist government for many years until 2006.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-14452725623611409082011-01-02T05:16:30.152-08:002011-01-02T05:16:30.152-08:00'You know nothing about Sweden so either do so...'You know nothing about Sweden so either do some research or stop making things up.'<br /><br />Actually I lived there during the seventies. My first wife was Swedish.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-73048339415084857292011-01-02T05:12:38.802-08:002011-01-02T05:12:38.802-08:00Pratt webb
get it into you thick head once and fo...Pratt webb<br /><br />get it into you thick head once and for all <br /><br />THERE IS NO SECRET GROUPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-42860463624675534002011-01-02T05:08:27.039-08:002011-01-02T05:08:27.039-08:00I would not have described it as a socialist count...I would not have described it as a socialist country. Sweden has not had a socialist government since 2006.<br /><br />Idiot: <br /><br />Following a forty year period of socialist control Sweden has an entrenched socialist civil service so changing governments has little effect. You know nothing about Sweden so either do some research or stop making things up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-41156233893046191572011-01-02T05:04:29.560-08:002011-01-02T05:04:29.560-08:00the last went out of their way to emphasise that p...the last went out of their way to emphasise that parents had a right to home educate and that there was no intention to change this?<br /><br />Keep swigging the gin webb it obviously does something for your imaginationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-11251653175500117762011-01-02T05:02:49.590-08:002011-01-02T05:02:49.590-08:00" spread a falsehood" "ridiculous ..." spread a falsehood" "ridiculous lie," <br /><br />Mr. Webb, this is exactly whet you are renown for, as well as trying to bolster your ego by trashing everyone that is truly respected.<br /><br />You really are loosing the plot nowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-72577204279083219562011-01-02T04:58:47.744-08:002011-01-02T04:58:47.744-08:00'Similar, but not the same'
The big diffe...'Similar, but not the same'<br /><br />The big difference being of course that one can choose not to be a home educator but cannot choose not to be a Jew. Oh, and the penalty for being a Jew involved extermination, whereas the ultimate penalty for home education might have involved receiving a School Attendance Order. But yes, apart from those minor differences, pretty similar!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-26970324731857265872011-01-02T04:55:36.551-08:002011-01-02T04:55:36.551-08:00"the overseas branch secretary of the 'se..."the overseas branch secretary of the 'secret group'"<br /><br />More fantasy from fiction writer WebbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com