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I feel that this should apply to schooled and home educated children alike. In order to get everybody to comply, it is probably necessary to have some sort of sanction.<br /><br />I also think it a good idea if children have the opportunity to speak to other adults without their parents being present. I think that once a year is the absolute bare minimum for this. I feel that this should also apply to both schooled and home educated children. In the case of those at school, this usually happens as a matter of course.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-35964030764490603982009-11-13T06:49:58.820-08:002009-11-13T06:49:58.820-08:00But you still haven't answered my question. Ma...But you still haven't answered my question. Many people don't take their children for developmental checks or have them vaccinated. Many people also decline visits from health visitors. Do you think these people should be compelled to register their children with the local authority, and do you think Badman's other recommendations, as I listed above, should apply to them?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-27616883099103307192009-11-13T06:42:20.513-08:002009-11-13T06:42:20.513-08:00I don't think that there is any harm at all in...I don't think that there is any harm at all in keeping a benevolent eye upon children under five who are not at school or nursery. Most are seen for visits to clinics and Health Centres in any case. Add in visits by Health Visitors, vaccinations and so on and I think most of them would be observed one way or the other every year. Often, warning signs spotted on such occasions lead to somebody popping round to visit the family. As with children being spoken to alone, I find it hard to understand this antagonism to having people visit the home.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-8631875914655091622009-11-13T06:21:31.123-08:002009-11-13T06:21:31.123-08:00But I'm asking you about children who are *not...But I'm asking you about children who are *not* at school, Simon. I understand that you don't think schoolchildren need visiting even in the long holidays, but what about the ones who are not at school because they are too young? Do you think Badman's recommendations wrt safeguarding, which I listed above, should apply to them?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-19004132285817090312009-11-13T06:13:16.014-08:002009-11-13T06:13:16.014-08:00No. I made this clear. You said;
"should the...No. I made this clear. You said;<br /><br />"should their homes be visited regularly for the purpose of ensuring that the children are safe and well,"<br /><br />I responded;<br /><br />"Children at school are seen regularly, so it would probably not be necessary to visit their homes."Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-64089027555985391792009-11-13T05:38:07.239-08:002009-11-13T05:38:07.239-08:00So you do believe that Badman's recommendation...So you do believe that Badman's recommendations wrt safeguarding, which I listed above, should apply to all children who are not at school? In other words, to all children under 5? <br />A yes or no answer will do.Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-2850949903825042452009-11-13T04:43:48.075-08:002009-11-13T04:43:48.075-08:00I certainly think Erica, that it is a good idea fo...I certainly think Erica, that it is a good idea for local authorities to know of the children living in their area. Most people register with a school when they move with their children. So, yes this seems to me to be a good idea. Children at school are seen regularly, so it would probably not be necessary to visit their homes. As for children being spoken to without their parents being present, well this happens all the time. It happens at nurseries and schools for instance. I have never seen what all the fuss is about here. I like the use of the word "interview" with its formal implications and hint of police stations! When a teacher speaks to a child in the playground without the parents being there, is that an "interview" as well? Would you say that children of three and four in nurseries are "interviewed" regularly? I suppose this is better than the word "interrogation" which I have also used to describe this. There has never been any suggestion that this would be routine practice.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-92046122225944777732009-11-13T02:49:00.320-08:002009-11-13T02:49:00.320-08:00No, I am asking you if you think that families wit...No, I am asking you if you think that families with children who do not attend school for reasons other than being home educated (for instance under fives and school children during the holidays) should be subject to recommendations of the Badman report wrt safeguarding. I did say this quite clearly. In other words, should it be a criminal offence for them to move house without informing the LA, should their homes be visited regularly for the purpose of ensuring that the children are safe and well, and should children under five be interviewed alone?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-67575659422418416062009-11-12T23:53:08.898-08:002009-11-12T23:53:08.898-08:00Erica, if I understand you correctly you are askin...Erica, if I understand you correctly you are asking whether I believe that the recommendations in Chapter 8 of the Badman Report should also apply to those working in schools, whether maintained or independent. Is that right? The answer is, yes. But most of those things are already standard anyway. The whole idea is to extend similar protection to those being taught by their parents.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-13645956062599085782009-11-12T22:41:07.179-08:002009-11-12T22:41:07.179-08:00"Ms has long been used as a slur by men"..."Ms has long been used as a slur by men" This is an extraordinary thing to say. I work in a London borough where it is considered very bad manners to call a woman "Miss". I always use "Ms". I have never heard it called a slur before! The bit about defining herself by her marital status was of course a joke; I assumed that that was obvious. The give away was the fact that i referred to Louise as old fashioned, which she is almost certainly not.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-23567693182416961042009-11-12T17:26:59.049-08:002009-11-12T17:26:59.049-08:00"Without security and safety from harm, there..."Without security and safety from harm, there can be no liberty."<br /><br />Or, alternatively, "those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" - Benjamin Franklin. Our liberties are hard won, but our security will always be an illusion. Evil can never be legislated out of being.<br /><br />I have had many CRB checks over the years. I currently have six for different establishments (all of which will expire over the next eight months). I think is ridiculously over the top, and I won't be having any more. I wonder if when I refuse to have another one people will assume I have some hideous guilty secret. I'd like to think that the people I work with know me well enough to think that there just might be another reason for refusing another check. Either way, their hands will be tied. They cannot legally trust me without that bit of paper that says I'm clean.<br /><br />Another Lisa. Posting as anon.<br /><br />P.S. I think in being taken aback by Louise defining herself by her marital status, you may have been jumping the gun. She could merely have been responding to your inaccurate spelling of her surname, and probably thought she'd correct you on the Ms thing as well. Ms has long been used as a slur by men so it's understandable that you'd be corrected whether Louise was offended or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48634372050361283692009-11-12T16:03:21.211-08:002009-11-12T16:03:21.211-08:00False positives are a major problem when looking f...False positives are a major problem when looking for abuse. Much research into detection of abuse has been carried out and the false positive rate is always too high to justify looking for abuse in the general population. In one review of various studies the average false positive rate was 50.6%, so for every true case of abuse that was detected, another was falsely suspected. The best rate for an individual study covered by the review was 20%, so even well trained researchers misidentified as abused one in every five children about whom they made predictions. The highest false positive rate was 95%. Rates of missed cases of genuine abuse ranged from 16% to 63%. There are costs involved with false positives, both monetary and emotional.<br /><br />http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume2/j2_4_7.htm<br />http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume9/j9_3_2.htmSharonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-848406128667195632009-11-12T15:45:41.429-08:002009-11-12T15:45:41.429-08:00I'll ask you again, Simon, do you think the re...I'll ask you again, Simon, do you think the recommendations of the Badman report wrt safeguarding should be applied to all children who are not at school, including under fives and schoolchildren during the holidays?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-79403693431265590542009-11-12T14:22:22.398-08:002009-11-12T14:22:22.398-08:00Well Lisa, it was Erica who mentioned CRB checks a...Well Lisa, it was Erica who mentioned CRB checks and I was just responding to her question. I imagine, although she was not specific, that when she talks about parents being CRB checked she is referring to the scheme which I describe above. You ask if I think that a CRB check safeguards children. Yes, of course it does sometimes. Most voluntary groups have had the experience of somebody wanting to do stuff with kids. On being told that a CRB check will be required, they fade away. It is a fair guess that a potential abuser may have been thus deterred. Of course CRB checks must be combined with common sense; not all paedophiles have convictions. I see them as a useful tool, but not an infallible one.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-85421942564497819082009-11-12T14:15:53.424-08:002009-11-12T14:15:53.424-08:00Do you think a CRB check actually safeguards child...Do you think a CRB check actually safeguards children?<br /><br />Or does it lull some people into a false sense of security? ''Oh it's okay they've been CRB'd'', with no understanding that a CRB only tells us that a person hasn't been convicted of an offence.<br /><br />**<br />Again , Simon, I ask, when do you think children should be kept 'track' of?<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-72988159363020619662009-11-12T13:37:56.951-08:002009-11-12T13:37:56.951-08:00I suppose Erica, that when you talk about parents ...I suppose Erica, that when you talk about parents being CRB checked, you are referring to the pilot scheme which has been running for the last year or so in Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire, Hampshire and Cleveland? Can't see anything wrong in it at all. There are weird men who target women in relationships just to gain access to their children. You set up civil liberties and safeguarding as antitheses; they are nothing of the sort, they are complementary. Without security and safety from harm, there can be no liberty. I have no problem with children being spoken to alone, although I doubt that is intended to be routine.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-63439779793814742932009-11-12T10:02:38.688-08:002009-11-12T10:02:38.688-08:00Although this does explain why the name of Fred We...Although this does explain why the name of Fred West etc has come to light in recent days on home ed lists, there isn't actually a solution to the problem. Yes, the LA could or should have checked up as to what happened to this poor little girl, although it was probably too late to save her; it may have saved the later victims of the Wests, but as many the more recent cases of child death and abuse show, it isn't knowledge of the childs wherebaouts that is a major issue - it is the inability of the various services to interpret and act on information.<br /><br />If Charmaine had been followed up, I have no doubt that the Wests would have delayed the whole issue by claiming (as you say) that the child was with her birth mother. Since I think that she was already dead, there would have been a futile and slow search for the missing part of the family- and I am convinced that the info (or lacking info) would havenever got much further than lying in a filing cabinet somewhere - all the social services are far too overworked trying to look after the children they know about than to chase rabbits as in cases like this.<br /><br />Someone close to me was left aged 3 months with a family acquaintance to be babysat whilst the mother went to bingo. The family was already known to social services (having already had 2 children taken into care) but they failed to notice that the baby was no longer living at home for 4 years! To me the whole issue here is not chasing the unknowns just because they might be at risk - it is looking after the known risks properly.Julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-2995664183148167412009-11-12T08:30:38.096-08:002009-11-12T08:30:38.096-08:00Where do you stand on the civil liberty vs safegua...Where do you stand on the civil liberty vs safeguarding issue, Simon? Do you think all children should be visited at home and interviewed alone, if they are able to talk? Should babies be examined for injuries regularly? Should all parents and other relatives and friends be CRB checked? Should all parents of under-fives be compelled to register with the LA when they move house, and be subject to criminal prosecution if they don't?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-50790732795422919262009-11-12T07:34:55.936-08:002009-11-12T07:34:55.936-08:00See Lisa's answer above. Children who are with...See Lisa's answer above. Children who are withdrawn from school are only a tiny proportion of the children who are not being "tracked". Isn't Contactpoint supposed to address this?Ericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-37086544952270901162009-11-12T07:25:47.575-08:002009-11-12T07:25:47.575-08:00In a sense, you are of course right; this has noth...In a sense, you are of course right; this has nothing to do with home education as such. However, the same situation which allows parents to withdraw their children from school without any formality to educate them at home, also permits others to withdraw children in order to abuse or even murder them. This is not a mistake; it is how things are.If you forget for a moment about home education and focus instead upon children being taken out of school, then you might see what concerns people.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.com