tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post7480742451927507663..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: How strange are home educating parents?Simon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-62007185718152213622012-06-24T07:56:21.819-07:002012-06-24T07:56:21.819-07:00"It's a shame that your LA were so spinel..."It's a shame that your LA were so spineless and ineffective in enforcing that SAO."<br /><br />None of the reasons you give are grounds for an SAO, so the LA would have lost in court. It's entirely possible for a totally illiterate person to provide their child with a suitable education. Being obsessive and vexatious doesn't prevent it either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-52136884630479250422012-06-21T23:07:44.778-07:002012-06-21T23:07:44.778-07:00So someone issued a SAO, you've proved that yo...So someone issued a SAO, you've proved that you're functionally illiterate, you've proved that you're obsessive and vexatious.<br />It's a shame that your LA were so spineless and ineffective in enforcing that SAO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-21997879787047601772012-06-21T09:48:01.259-07:002012-06-21T09:48:01.259-07:00nope got it in writing from the head teacher of th...nope got it in writing from the head teacher of the school that he and the governors of the school never agreed to a SAO for Peter the head of the governors allso wrote to me to confrim that there NEVER agreeded to SAO.<br /><br />It is HCC lEA who tell lies come round i show the letter from the head and governors!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-33414676406418093912012-06-20T23:15:53.101-07:002012-06-20T23:15:53.101-07:00It looks like you tell lies.It looks like you tell lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-91777130838505607752012-06-20T00:44:20.932-07:002012-06-20T00:44:20.932-07:00Oh, I think I see. But I was a bit thrown by your ...Oh, I think I see. But I was a bit thrown by your agreement with arguments based on such shaky foundations. But each to their own, I suppose :-)<br /><br />I'm just glad that I've mixed with a higher class of home educator (from the point of view of education provision, not social class) than Simon (and possibly you if you agree with his conclusions). He must have spent his time with an especially poor group of home educators. Maybe his daughter's HE friends are all NEETs? I'm just thankful for the sake of our children that the descriptions of home educators I read on this blog are so foreign to the people we have met and spent time with. <br /><br />We've mixed with a range of home educators from largely parent directed to autonomous, from those home educating from the start just because they want to, to those home educating because of bullying, religious and non-religious, etc., and I honestly cannot remember anyone discussing conspiracy theories. There were concerns about the Government plans after the Badman review, and there are discussions about how best to satisfy the LA when they made their informal enquiries (most settle for the LAs preferred home visits, a few prefer written reports), but nothing along the lines described by Simon. And I've had just as many school using friends who read horoscopes or use homoeopathy as home educators.<br /><br />Of course, I've read the wilder theories on the internet, but there are lots of those out there about every subject under the sun. They are hardly representative in my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-59408641877833771242012-06-19T17:53:37.947-07:002012-06-19T17:53:37.947-07:00Now you have drawn me into arguing semantics, oh t...Now you have drawn me into arguing semantics, oh the irony lol :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48269779273873662992012-06-19T17:47:52.410-07:002012-06-19T17:47:52.410-07:00No! I think slowly transcends, in this instance is...No! I think slowly transcends, in this instance is exactly what I wanted to convey. Thank you. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-52035221001694741792012-06-19T15:31:49.770-07:002012-06-19T15:31:49.770-07:00"Milder ones, along the lines that local auth..."Milder ones, along the lines that local authorities have a vested interest in stamping out home education or that home visits are really a cunning ploy designed to find evidence of abuse or neglect are far more prevalent. It was this sort of thing to which I alluded in the above post."<br /><br />Ohhh. You mean much as you would find in any random group of people? You should get out more, Simon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-43254994916043608572012-06-19T05:25:34.470-07:002012-06-19T05:25:34.470-07:00Actually, wouldn't 'slowly descends', ...Actually, wouldn't 'slowly descends', have been more appropriate than 'slowly transcends', in this instance? Though, as I say, I don't think the incline is very steep...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-59689830793672693052012-06-19T05:22:02.737-07:002012-06-19T05:22:02.737-07:00Slowly transcends? You give an excellent descripti...Slowly transcends? You give an excellent description of Simon's blog articles, never mind the comments ;-) <br /><br />I don't think Simon has undertaken formal research on any of the issues discussed (and as far as I know, nobody else has either for most of them), so you certainly give an accurate description. There is no reason to believe that he has privileged information that raises his articles above your description.<br /><br />He, and others, state their opinion based on speculation, conjecture, hearsay and anecdotal evidence, and Simon clearly loves semantics (which is to be expected from a journalist/writer, to be fair). Pretty normal behaviour and something most people do. People will have different anecdotal evidence and experiences, so will obviously reach different conclusions.<br /><br />Clearly he is entitled to give his opinion, as are others, but I'm not sure that his reasoning skills are all that sound since they are often based on partial information and misinformation. His misunderstandings about the tax system provide an excellent example, for instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-24714333610272306742012-06-19T01:33:59.374-07:002012-06-19T01:33:59.374-07:00that is bull crap Peter never had to go to casualt...that is bull crap Peter never had to go to casualty department has your child what happend? was it serious?<br /><br />its not run around it was lies by lEA officers have you brought your children up to tell lies? <br /><br />i tell you anther lie that was told which made the head teacher of the school very angry and he put in a complanit to Hampshire LEA something a head would very rarly do Hampshire lEA said he agreed to a school attendance order in writing which he had not and wrote to me to say he had not and that he was complaining to Hampshire about this matter!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-52314411043172860362012-06-19T01:25:51.524-07:002012-06-19T01:25:51.524-07:00the war in irag was based on a lie? so called weap...the war in irag was based on a lie? so called weapons of mass killing neclear which where never found?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-86070941142541136472012-06-18T23:03:58.762-07:002012-06-18T23:03:58.762-07:00'More serious ones to!'
You've been gi...'More serious ones to!'<br />You've been given the runaround tactic..<br />Evident that you were being monitored and on the at risk list, can't really blame anyone for that.<br />Had Peter ever arrived in casualty with suspicious injuries, you and your wife were going to spend time in the nick and Peter put into care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-10364617721503553922012-06-18T18:18:11.448-07:002012-06-18T18:18:11.448-07:00I despair!
Some of what you say Simon makes sense,...I despair!<br />Some of what you say Simon makes sense, and I can follow the logic behind your argument. At other times I feel I miss the point you're trying to make! <br /><br />Although having said that, within this microcosm that is your blog, I have to say that on the whole you are the voice of reason. I have followed your blogs for several weeks now ( having stumbled upon it by chance). And what I have observed is that, what may be considered initially as a reasonable and rational stand point posited by you, slowly transcends as the thread develops into what I can only categorise as: <br />Speculation<br />Conjecture<br />Hearsay<br />Anecdotal<br />Semantics.<br />I can only assume that those in authority must sit there, mock and laugh at some of the, what I can only describe as insane views expressed on your blogs.<br /><br />Just for the record, I support in the main most of what you say!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-9563782615090093262012-06-18T13:19:46.389-07:002012-06-18T13:19:46.389-07:00'Are the conspiracies talked of in this post r...'Are the conspiracies talked of in this post related to the ones you talked about in your blog posts dated 17th May 2011 and 29th June 2011? In those posts you stated:<br /><br />"I don't believe that the majority of British home educators are mad enough to believe in stuff like this."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"Now of course not all home educators think this way. In fact I am guessing that they are a tiny minority."'<br /><br />Not really. These are extreme, mad conspiracy theories. Milder ones, along the lines that local authorities have<br />a vested interest in stamping out home education or that home visits are really a cunning ploy designed to find evidence of abuse or neglect are far more prevalent. It was this sort of thing to which I alluded in the above post. <br /><br /> Simon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-76203264143888390222012-06-18T09:41:38.635-07:002012-06-18T09:41:38.635-07:00Well spotted. Simon has a history of adjusting his...Well spotted. Simon has a history of adjusting his beliefs or even his occupation in an effort to support his current theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-73390200923738756002012-06-18T09:17:28.980-07:002012-06-18T09:17:28.980-07:00anther lie told by Hampshire LA is that no other h...anther lie told by Hampshire LA is that no other home educators had made a complaint about the service when we joined local group i find out that other home educators had complained to that very same officer in witing! yet accordingto him no one had a clear cut lie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-61394674544799212562012-06-18T06:42:50.184-07:002012-06-18T06:42:50.184-07:00Hello,
Are the conspiracies talked of in this pos...Hello,<br /><br />Are the conspiracies talked of in this post related to the ones you talked about in your blog posts dated 17th May 2011 and 29th June 2011? In those posts you stated:<br /><br />"I don't believe that the majority of British home educators are mad enough to believe in stuff like this."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"Now of course not all home educators think this way. In fact I am guessing that they are a tiny minority."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-26998458259076195822012-06-18T01:17:21.690-07:002012-06-18T01:17:21.690-07:00well one lie was that education samples which was...well one lie was that education samples which was received by Hampshire LA was then lost and there then said we did not receive it but we had sent it by recorded delivery! he then changed his story to that he had received it but then said certain samples where not in there! but he did not know we had shown our county councillor the samples we where sending in! anther lie LEA office told was that peter had not done that work but again he did not know our councilor had seen Peter do that work. those are just some of the lies there are more seroius ones to!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-71558329965936000582012-06-17T23:37:53.263-07:002012-06-17T23:37:53.263-07:00Tell us all about the lies.Tell us all about the lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-12114879995488459162012-06-17T23:27:33.866-07:002012-06-17T23:27:33.866-07:00'There may not be such a thing as a typical ho...'There may not be such a thing as a typical home educator, but themes emerge if you listen to enough parents. There is often hostility towards or at the very least, mistrust of authority. These parents frequently had bad experiences at school themselves. This mistrust of authority extends from teachers to the medical profession; many home educating parents are fans of alternative medicine. There is often a tendency to believe in conspiracies.'<br /><br />This is very silly and not at all the real picture. The groups I've been involved with certainly do not fit this picture. I'm not sure how you have arrived at it. Possibly you have only met a very small sample of home educating families in real life?<br /><br />What do you mean by 'listen to enough families'? Read forums or lists with a particular slant?<br /><br />In any case, mild weirdness would be nothing to worry about. Complete uniformity would be much more worrying.<br /><br />Old MumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-62415923471275962892012-06-17T17:12:00.485-07:002012-06-17T17:12:00.485-07:00Exactly what lies do the LEA "tell about chil...Exactly what lies do the LEA "tell about children/parents" What evidence have you, aside from anecdotal? Your comments and views from what I can summise are borderline paranoid. Maybe you should consider professional help! <br /><br />From what I have read, all your serving to do with your rants is justifying the necessity for LEA monitoring!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-31002839431661846512012-06-17T09:53:32.275-07:002012-06-17T09:53:32.275-07:00the weird people are LEA officers who tell lies ab...the weird people are LEA officers who tell lies about children/parents.<br /><br />why did you and your daughter suck up to Graham Badman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-75181291711274734952012-06-17T09:47:27.482-07:002012-06-17T09:47:27.482-07:00You really should had spent more time with home ed...You really should had spent more time with home educating families rather than just believing everything you read on the internet. If we believed what we read on the internet I would say that the majority of the people in the UK fit your description!<br /><br />I spend time with groups of HE families and groups of school using families, and apart from a tendency for HE children to have longer hair (both male and female children), I haven't really noticed a marked difference in the strangeness percentage rates! Certainly the main HE group we belong to is very boring in that respect. Most have home visits a few have arranged alternatives, but without hostility. The best play areas, sources of educational resources and activities and what various children are up to are usually the main topics of conversation. Can't remember a conspiracy theory ever rearing its head at any of our meet ups.<br /><br />One of my best friends uses homoeopathy, something we've never agreed on (though I do agree that the placebo effect is often of genuine benefit). My friend is a school using Quaker, I'm an agnostic home educator. Who is stranger in your view?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com