tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post8386159559922059063..comments2024-03-20T00:30:11.702-07:00Comments on Home Education Heretic: My 'smear' campaign against the Johannson familySimon Webbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-68227470596437962032011-03-14T10:09:26.965-07:002011-03-14T10:09:26.965-07:00im afraid Webb and daughter have done everything t...im afraid Webb and daughter have done everything their can to support crazy Badman review recommendations becoming law. His daughter as far as we know has refused to say sorry to HE children over her role in encouraging the labour party to bring in new laws on home education.indeed she seems to have used her support for crazy Badman in geting a job with the very person who started it all Ed Balls and can see nothing wrong in wanting to serve the very man who caused so much upset for home educators .Balls is a master of spin half truths and smear every one know this and yet his daughter is more than happy to have served him! she is a traiter to home educated children.Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-54588236686267681782011-03-14T09:55:19.480-07:002011-03-14T09:55:19.480-07:00anon says-I've been reading the responses by P...anon says-I've been reading the responses by Peter and Carol...<br />I must say that I didn't think magic mushrooms were in season. <br /><br />to early for magic mushrooms but i check out the local woods 2morro for some LOL i do like a spaghetti bolognese with muchrooms very nice that is!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-47815855383503883792011-03-14T09:01:02.340-07:002011-03-14T09:01:02.340-07:00I've been reading the responses by Peter and C...I've been reading the responses by Peter and Carol...<br />I must say that I didn't think magic mushrooms were in season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-16630338995464472662011-03-14T06:05:40.059-07:002011-03-14T06:05:40.059-07:00you also say-Bit of an own goal really.
no home ...you also say-Bit of an own goal really. <br /><br />no home educators 1 children's bill 0 sort of goal i do like to score you you and daughter still upset it went down the drain? never mind at least you made friends with Graham Badman LOLPeter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-12557155523216980972011-03-14T05:58:58.050-07:002011-03-14T05:58:58.050-07:00Webb says-People were astonished and dismayed that...Webb says-People were astonished and dismayed that an illiterate maniac like this could just take his child from school and refuse any cooperation with the local authority. Bit of an own goal really. <br /><br />OMG Webb called me a maniac.<br /><br />we sure did refuse ANY cooperation with our Local Authority what you going to do about that then Webb? if you belive a maniac is home educating a child at home you Webb have a duty to report them? why have you not done this? you want the address of who to phone or write to? or are you all talk and no action? <br /><br />you and your daughter where in co- hoots with Badman?Balls?old DSCF and helped to run a sort of smear campaign against home educators.Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-61017547425467744992011-03-14T05:24:41.158-07:002011-03-14T05:24:41.158-07:00'Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea what y...'Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea what you are talking about and to be honest you've done our cause WAY more harm than SW has.'<br /><br />You got that right! Peter Williams contacted the publisher of my book and gave his views and opinions in his usual, far from lucid, style. I think it fair to say that he made a few converts to the cause of stricter regulation of home education that day. People were astonished and dismayed that an illiterate maniac like this could just take his child from school and refuse any cooperation with the local authority. Bit of an own goal really.Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-63517578564298656852011-03-14T04:58:41.204-07:002011-03-14T04:58:41.204-07:00She was 16. Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea...She was 16. Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea what you are talking about and to be honest you've done our cause WAY more harm than SW has. <br /><br />according to Webb she was 15? a 16 year old girl would have been asked by Balls campaign team what school did you go to!<br /><br />you have no idea what you are talking about Webb and his duaghter where in full support of Badman and his crazy recommendation including forced entry into a private house to interviewing a child alone with out the parents to seek out abuse. Im afraid those 2 did everything their could to try and get Badman review recommendation passed into law and his daughter went to work for Balls knowing full well what Balls views where on home education and did nothing to challege him over this?<br /><br />we helped beat Balls/Badman/DFSCF and stoped his recommendations becoming law unlike Webb and his daughter!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-63489382510517879122011-03-14T04:47:40.259-07:002011-03-14T04:47:40.259-07:00'dont worry we let Crazy Badman know our views...'dont worry we let Crazy Badman know our views and told him we would NEVER comply with his recommendations we got to him so much he mentioned chess in his interview with the select committee!'<br /><br />I rest my case...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-73932418920984630432011-03-14T04:46:52.207-07:002011-03-14T04:46:52.207-07:00She was 16. Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea...She was 16. Oh do shut up, Peter. You have no idea what you are talking about and to be honest you've done our cause WAY more harm than SW has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-32043982002567669502011-03-14T04:46:09.243-07:002011-03-14T04:46:09.243-07:00From a human rights perspective, allowing only sta...From a human rights perspective, allowing only state-supervised visits of one hour once every five weeks between the parents and the child (during which signs of emotion in the parents or child are seen as a reason to end the visit) alone seems excessively cruel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-50368000728436682552011-03-14T04:44:21.035-07:002011-03-14T04:44:21.035-07:00anon says-If you regret not taking the opportunity...anon says-If you regret not taking the opportunity to do the same, then that's your own fault. <br /><br />dont worry we let Crazy Badman know our views and told him we would NEVER comply with his recommendations we got to him so much he mentioned chess in his interview with the select committee!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-48392643333718915332011-03-14T04:37:26.721-07:002011-03-14T04:37:26.721-07:00suz says-but I have met David Cameron several time...suz says-but I have met David Cameron several times (at my request) and could have been involved in a number of his campaigns.<br /><br />not if your 15 could you just start work for a campaign team!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-44663952588113040072011-03-14T04:35:43.373-07:002011-03-14T04:35:43.373-07:00Webb says-If she wangled a job with Ed Balls throu...Webb says-If she wangled a job with Ed Balls through treachery against the entire HE community, then so be it. Although I doubt it.'<br /><br />she did wangle a job through treachey to the HE community and you say so be it! both of you are traiters to the HE community.<br /><br />you also say-She was, like many other young people, a volunteer on the campaign. This entailed going to an office and telephoning people to drum up support. At no time was the subject of her schooling raised; why would it be? <br /><br />Her schooling would have been raised some one would have asked what school do you go to. She would also have told them how old she was and this would have raised a number of questions about her. Balls would not just take on any one to be in his campaign team Balls knew that she fully supported his review and this would have got her the job a campaign team would have asked many question to your daughter to make sure she was on thier side school and education would have come up! <br /><br />you also say- of course it was easy to meet with Badders, at least early on in the process.<br /><br />yes it was until old Badman relized he was not geting the answers he wanted from HE Children and then refused to meet any more HE children! and fell back on a very small number of trusted views such as yours and your daughters as you had given him the answers he wanted to hear about abuse and forced entry into a private home to interview a child alone. your daughter did a lot of harm to HE family's during this time and should say sorry for what she did as should you?Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-1449426321090628032011-03-14T04:29:48.187-07:002011-03-14T04:29:48.187-07:00Julie wrote,
"As for the Swedish case; the tr...Julie wrote,<br />"As for the Swedish case; the trouble is that outsiders never get the whole story, because they are only able to hear one side of it (the legal arguments and such are never heard in public)."<br /><br />Is that definitely true of Sweden? Because the site Simon links to first claims to have read the entire court document and even posts a link to a copy of it (not in English though). Follow Simon's first link and scroll down about three quarters of the page to see this link, http://oldsite.alliancedefensefund.org/userdocs/JohanssonOpinion.pdf<br /><br />There is also a link to a an English language document, an application to the European Court of Human Rights, http://oldsite.alliancedefensefund.org/userdocs/JohanssonApplication.pdf, that details the case. Would it be worth them lying about the case in an application such as this, because any lie would easily be proven by the Swedish authorities and the application dismissed. Reading this, the Swedish authorities only claim that the child was home educated (with claims that it resulted in isolation) and later, after the child was taken, than he was not fully vaccinated and had dental cavities. The parents agreed to send him to school and have any medical treatments the authorities considered necessary done, but were still not allowed to have their child back.<br /><br />I agree we don't always know the full story but it shouldn't stop us looking at the available evidence closely rather than assuming the worst of the parents. If there were never miscarriages of justice, assuming the worst would be justified, but this is clearly not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-22175347863351746092011-03-14T04:20:30.747-07:002011-03-14T04:20:30.747-07:00Suzi said This is getting very off topic, but I ha...Suzi said This is getting very off topic, but I have met David Cameron several times (at my request) and could have been involved in a number of his campaigns. It is not difficult to get involved with politics, but it is too time consuming for me :) <br /><br />Yep...me too. And I didn't have to betray anyone in the process. lolLozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092386208324357836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-47892780248533053902011-03-14T03:46:59.078-07:002011-03-14T03:46:59.078-07:00This is getting very off topic, but I have met Dav...This is getting very off topic, but I have met David Cameron several times (at my request) and could have been involved in a number of his campaigns. It is not difficult to get involved with politics, but it is too time consuming for me :)Suzinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-35444418738451621112011-03-14T03:40:44.436-07:002011-03-14T03:40:44.436-07:00'But of course it was easy to meet with Badder...'But of course it was easy to meet with Badders, at least early on in the process. Lots of HE friends did just that. They were in HE groups who wanted to let him have a piece of their minds.'<br /><br />You are right, many parents and children took the opportunity of letting Badman know their views on this subject. They could not all have been traitors and Quislings!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-63486230686261572292011-03-14T03:39:20.554-07:002011-03-14T03:39:20.554-07:00'If she wangled a job with Ed Balls through tr...'If she wangled a job with Ed Balls through treachery against the entire HE community, then so be it. Although I doubt it.'<br /><br />She was, like many other young people, a volunteer on the campaign. This entailed going to an office and telephoning people to drum up support. At no time was the subject of her schooling raised; why would it be? Ed Balls certainly did not know that she had been home educated. I have never heard such mad nonsense in my life!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-44020306512315893242011-03-14T03:38:04.198-07:002011-03-14T03:38:04.198-07:00'you dont get to work for Ed Balls by chance o...'you dont get to work for Ed Balls by chance or met Badman just like that!'<br /><br />I don't know how easy it is to volunteer for a politician as I've never tried. <br /><br />But of course it was easy to meet with Badders, at least early on in the process. Lots of HE friends did just that. They were in HE groups who wanted to let him have a piece of their minds. <br /><br />If you regret not taking the opportunity to do the same, then that's your own fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-33120501070438914292011-03-14T03:33:31.931-07:002011-03-14T03:33:31.931-07:00Conspiracies can be seen in everything if we want ...Conspiracies can be seen in everything if we want to see them.<br /><br />If she wangled a job with Ed Balls through treachery against the entire HE community, then so be it. Although I doubt it.Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092386208324357836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-20587327578639116912011-03-14T03:25:29.498-07:002011-03-14T03:25:29.498-07:00Loz says-f I wanted to set up a meeting with an MP...Loz says-f I wanted to set up a meeting with an MP, I could. And if the reason for doing so was good enough, they would agree.<br />No rat involved, just a political angle which in their eyes was of use/interest to them at that time. <br /><br />Webb daughter went to work for Ed Balls M.P not a meeting!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-59311067971624483862011-03-14T03:23:23.214-07:002011-03-14T03:23:23.214-07:00If I wanted to set up a meeting with an MP, I coul...If I wanted to set up a meeting with an MP, I could. And if the reason for doing so was good enough, they would agree. <br />No rat involved, just a political angle which in their eyes was of use/interest to them at that time. <br /><br />Now, please, take that tin foil hat off and calm down.Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092386208324357836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-32053505467987061862011-03-14T03:15:36.535-07:002011-03-14T03:15:36.535-07:00Teacher Julie said...
Oh gosh, here we go aga...Teacher Julie said...<br /><br /> Oh gosh, here we go again (re mad conspiracy theories<br /><br />What i have said im afraid Julie is true! you dont get to work for Ed Balls by chance or met Badman just like that! i can smell a rat a mile away!Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-36772428630351911622011-03-14T03:12:14.646-07:002011-03-14T03:12:14.646-07:00Webb says-In fact, nobody on the Ed Balls campaign...Webb says-In fact, nobody on the Ed Balls campaign even knew that my daughter was home educated. it came out by chance when the leadership battle was over. many people met Badman; we were not single out for this. <br /><br />sure Ed Balls did not know! Balls is very well briefed and would have known your daughter was home educated and supported his review on home education this is why she got the job with his campaign team! something like this would never come out by chance. first question any one would ask a yong person is what school you go to? indeed many question are asked before you can just get assess to a campign team inner circle. Your daughter was fully trusted because she had allready shown Ed Balls what she could do over the home education review!<br /><br />you where singled out by the DFCSF Balls?Badman their is no way Badman met you and your daughter by pulling a number out of a hat! Badman knew in advance your and your daughter views on home education and abuse Badman knew both of you would help to advance his crazy ideas on home education. Badman also refused to meet many home educated children who wanted to tell him face to face he was wrong! <br /><br />you and your daughter where up to your neck in all of this the pair of you are traiters to home educated children and their parents why dont you just say sorry for what you have done? and make amends over all of this?Peter and Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834275662603833577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-30571901696396189882011-03-14T02:57:36.272-07:002011-03-14T02:57:36.272-07:00Oh gosh, here we go again (re mad conspiracy theor...Oh gosh, here we go again (re mad conspiracy theories)....<br /><br />As for the Swedish case; the trouble is that outsiders never get the whole story, because they are only able to hear one side of it (the legal arguments and such are never heard in public). Home educators are probably not alone in their tendency to rush to the defense of anyone who is "in trouble" and who is also a home educator, but it does appear that perhaps we are all too inclined to do so without taking a bit more care over what is actually going on.<br />There was a recent case in Spain where the parents were jailed, but it turned out that this was sadly an abuse situation, not one brought because of tightening of the HE laws in that country.<br /><br />The other issue is that I do wonder about the quality of advice some parents get when faced with social services; I am not sure about the whole Swediah thing but in this country the tendency is to refuse any cooperation and sometimes even flee, which always seems counter productive and may lead to action where the chance of that beforehand, with a bit of cooperation, was much lower.Julienoreply@blogger.com