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Most SMEs I know, unless they require a particular skill such as hairdressing or accountancy etc, are not interested in the slightest in GCSEs because a person with GCSE Maths for example can't neccesarily add up....they can just pass an exam!<br /><br />Outside of the public sector SMEs collectively employ more people than FTSE 100 companies. And usually with recruitment in an SME it is about who you know and how well you know them.<br /><br />On the other hand of course my husband is a senior Project Manager in the chamical industry. He also doesn't care about GCSEs but he wouldn't let someone close to the plant he is working in without a degree in Chemical Engineering!Alison Sauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-5116775854521976722010-08-27T07:49:10.662-07:002010-08-27T07:49:10.662-07:00"An employer is hardly like to look at a CV a..."An employer is hardly like to look at a CV and say "Oh, no qualifications. But hey! S/he's got a great knowledge of fish of the amazon which s/he gained due to hir own interest! Wow!""<br /><br />Might be useful if they want to work work with tropical fish. If they are that interested in them, they might want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-6729962192130670472010-08-27T07:31:48.157-07:002010-08-27T07:31:48.157-07:00"Uh...of course someone can be educated wit..."Uh...of course someone can be educated without having a single qualification"<br /><br />When you read a comment you need to take note of what the person was replying to. Sarah made the point that she didn't "see higher education as "a waste of time" or "unnecessary expense". Regardless of the future work of a person." Agreeing with that one point doesn't mean I don't think qualifications sometimes have their uses.<br /><br />"An employer is hardly like to look at a CV and say "Oh, no qualifications. But hey! S/he's got a great knowledge of fish of the amazon which s/he gained due to hir own interest! Wow!""<br /><br />CVs are not the only route into employment. Quite often jobs are gained as a result of direct contact with a person either through recommendation or through voluntary work, especially with more practical work. Someone with years of experience working with horses for two or three days a week (but no GCSEs), is more likely to be considered for a job working with horses than someone with 2 weeks work experience and the odd weekend helping out at the local riding stables and a handful of GCSEs (as my niece found out to her expense).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-75196155106544794122010-08-27T07:24:18.371-07:002010-08-27T07:24:18.371-07:00"You don't think that perhaps both of you..."You don't think that perhaps both of you being involved in HE and arguing against a pressing need for HEed student to gain standard qualifications might have just a little to do with your perspective as an employer?"<br /><br />Not really. I can't see what point GCSEs would have for the work we want done. It's a practical, physical job and a degree wouldn't make you more capable of doing it, let alone GCSEs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-77857745559265814332010-08-27T07:11:28.139-07:002010-08-27T07:11:28.139-07:00"You don't think that perhaps both of you..."You don't think that perhaps both of you being involved in HE and arguing against a pressing need for HEed student to gain standard qualifications might have just a little to do with your perspective as an employer?"<br /><br />Particularly since one of the people, Alison Sauer, actually runs an HE related consultancy and might find it a good selling point to have employed home educated young people!Simon Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10865289865412656573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-61241260406870136262010-08-27T07:03:12.497-07:002010-08-27T07:03:12.497-07:00"I can't understand why people want to be..."I can't understand why people want to be so dependent on other people giving them full-time employment."<br /><br />___<br /><br />Both my husband and I are self employed, and like it that way, but there is no superiority complex about it.<br /><br />There are pros and cons to both. <br /><br />I think there are more benefits to self employment than most people realize, but on the other hand I now have this evil boss who slavedrives me all the time and won’t let me pull a sickie. Even when I am actually ill.<br /><br />___<br /><br /><br />"Well there have been two of us on this one little blog, so maybe they are not as rare as you think? "<br /><br />You don't think that perhaps both of you being involved in HE and arguing against a pressing need for HEed student to gain standard qualifications might have just a little to do with your perspective as an employer?<br /><br />Which might give a slightly skewed result when compared to the bulk of employers ?TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-17192163314147388332010-08-27T03:52:21.053-07:002010-08-27T03:52:21.053-07:00I can't understand why people want to be so de...I can't understand why people want to be so dependent on other people giving them full-time employment. Seems like a fickle, hostile environment to me. A bit like being in a cattle market. Why would you put yourself in that situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-72327053014301800272010-08-27T03:12:25.019-07:002010-08-27T03:12:25.019-07:00Hi there, Simone here, replying to Anonymous. Well...Hi there, Simone here, replying to Anonymous. Well...there are a lot of Anonymouses (Anonymi?) on here, so I'm replying to the one who said:<br /><i> Someone can be extremely well educated without having a single qualification but I doubt Simon would see the point. </i><br /><br />Uh...of <i> course </i> someone can be educated without having a single qualification, and lack of qualifications doesn't make that education any less. But the truth is that prospective <i> employers </i> might not see it that way. That's not to imply that the sole purpose of education is to get a job, something I disagree with vehemently; but that is both the main purpose for many young people, and the way employers will look on it. An employer is hardly like to look at a CV and say "Oh, no qualifications. But hey! S/he's got a great knowledge of fish of the amazon which s/he gained due to hir own interest! Wow!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-77732891202114496702010-08-27T01:46:47.246-07:002010-08-27T01:46:47.246-07:00"There aren’t enough of people like you to of..."There aren’t enough of people like you to offer the needed opportunities for the kids that leave school with few to no qualifications, let alone the HEed kids on top."<br /><br />Well there have been two of us on this one little blog, so maybe they are not as rare as you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-39361365655990747702010-08-27T01:27:31.509-07:002010-08-27T01:27:31.509-07:00Alison, that is really nice. I like to hear about ...Alison, that is really nice. I like to hear about people reaching out to help out rather than push heads a bit further under.<br /><br />Problem is it makes you a bit notable, not run of the mill.<br /><br />I can't base my educational choices for my son on the prospect of him encountering a really lovely person who will bend over backwards to help him get in + get on when he applies for the job of his dreams.<br /><br />If you were the norm people would have given up taking qualifications years ago thanks to the government falling over itself to warn students off taking exams unnecessarily and save a bundle that they can use to pay against the deficit.<br /><br />There aren’t enough of people like you to offer the needed opportunities for the kids that leave school with few to no qualifications, let alone the HEed kids on top.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-11072300733991725422010-08-27T01:19:04.975-07:002010-08-27T01:19:04.975-07:00"I don't see higher education as "a ..."I don't see higher education as "a waste of time" or "unnecessary expense". Regardless of the future work of a person."<br /><br />Nor do I. I also don't see the pursuit of qualifications as the only way, or even the best way, to gain an education. Someone can be extremely well educated without having a single qualification but I doubt Simon would see the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-223640861149395522010-08-26T18:51:20.069-07:002010-08-26T18:51:20.069-07:00And I employed a 16 year old (in my SME) two years...And I employed a 16 year old (in my SME) two years ago, who was utterly failed by school, with no GCSEs, as an admin assistant. I trained her up, helped her with college work and now she has a qualification as a motorbike mechanic.<br /><br />Nowt to do with home education. But she had no GCSEs. She was willing to work and learn. And she had some common sense. I have employed about 15 different people over the last 20 years or so. I have NEVER asked for their GCSEs (even before I ever heard of Home ed or had any children) as I thought them utterly irrelevant.Alison Sauernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-78714065313481581232010-08-26T16:46:58.554-07:002010-08-26T16:46:58.554-07:00But what's the difference between having to st...But what's the difference between having to start from scratch to train as a plumber or having to start from scratch to gain A levels? In both cases it's going to take a few years, isn't it? <br /><br /><br />____________<br /><br />Well in terms of a CV this is easier on the eye<br /><br />Education --Plumber Training---Plumber<br /><br />Than this.<br /><br />Plumber Training---Return to education---more training? more education?--job<br /><br /><br />I was responding in the main to the notion that GCSEs or A levels are a liability if you later chose to go in for vocational training. But since you ask…..<br /><br /><br />I'm in no hurry for my son to enter the workforce. <br /><br />I don't see higher education as "a waste of time" or "unnecessary expense". Regardless of the future work of a person.<br /><br /><br />Even if he never uses it in the conventional sense, just like his father, it has a value in its own right over and above what its potential is to add to your earnings.<br /><br />I’ll take that for my boy, I don’t actually have any real preferences in terms of work. Although I’d prefer it wasn’t something that involved him getting shot at. Or fast cars. Or busty women disrobing. But I do want him to aim for a university education (or equiv.) because I can’t see how it can do anything other than expand his horizons in terms of success, options, freedom and enjoyment, be he a plumber or a physicist.<br /> <br />He’ll only be young once and adult life with all its responsibilities is very long in comparison. Why on earth would I not want him to take advantage of the relatively “unfettered by responsibility” nature of education while he was still growing and developing into a man so he has more time to learn about and think about the directions open to him, particularly since it will give him immediate advantages once he has made the transition ?<br /><br />I’m thinking tortoise, not hare, in the race called “world of work”. Taking his time getting of the starting blocks sounds great to me.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7881402584568285627.post-28699061063816402642010-08-26T12:47:30.229-07:002010-08-26T12:47:30.229-07:00But what's the difference between having to st...But what's the difference between having to start from scratch to train as a plumber or having to start from scratch to gain A levels? 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