Monday 29 March 2010

Computers and the home educated child

I suggested yesterday that it would not be a particularly brilliant thing for a home educated teenager to spend all day on the computer. The average child spends about four hours a day glued to electronic media and a lot more than this during the school holidays. I have long had a suspicion that home educated children probably spend far more time on their computers than do those at school, although of course it would be hard to gather data on this. Certainly on the lists, there is a lot of mention of the great benefits of computers. They give children an intrinsic reason to learn to read, they sharpen up maths skills, allow them to research topics which are of interest to them. You wonder really, why schools employ teachers at all! perhaps they should just install banks of computers and let the children get on with it.

I have to say, that whether watching the occasional television programme about home educated children, reading books about it and reading the comments on the lists, computers seem to feature far more than practicing the cello, reading Tolstoy or studying history. They do seem to be the educational method of choice for an awful lot of home educating parents. My daughter and I were amused to hear Fiona Nicholson on Woman's Hour, when asked to describe a typical day in her son's education. It apparently consists of the boy getting up, having breakfast, arguing with his mother and switching on the computer. As my daughter, who is the same age, remarked wryly, "Nice work if you can get it!" She is up at 6.45 each morning in order to take a country bus ten miles to college. Not that either of us were very surprised to hear that this was a typical day. One would have been a good deal more surprised to hear that a home educated youth had breakfast and then opened a textbook!

Still on the theme of computers and home educated children, I have mentioned before a book on home education by a woman called Deborah Durbin. This is officially endorsed by Education Otherwise, who say of it, "Should be in every library in England". (A somewhat skewed and Anglocentric viewpoint, but we shall pass over that!). According to this book, playing online games on a computer are great for many educational purposes, from mathematics and English, to hand-eye coordination. They are even handy for social skills, apparently. Many of us would think that meeting and talking to human beings in the flesh would be better for this, but seemingly a computer screen is a perfectly adequate substitute.

For many children and young people, computers have become the default setting when there is nothing else to do. They browse aimlessly, check out their friend's updates on Facebook, listen to music, play games and so on. Nothing wrong with this of course. It is certainly no worse than their parents slumping on the sofa watching Coronation Street! However, while we accept that watching soap operas and reality television is nothing more than mindless entertainment, we tend to accord a little more respect to our children's similarly brainless activities on the computer. Part of this is that we do not wish to appear backward looking old fuddy duddies. We want to be down with the youth and show that we too are with it. Hey, what does it matter whether they get their information from a leather bound book or from wikipedia, we say. How cool does that make us sound?

The fact is of course that the vast majority of what our children are doing on the Internet has very little to do with research and education. Human nature has not changed that much over the centuries and with so many distractions on offer on the Internet, it is inevitable that the fun things should distract greatly from the educational. Imagine if you will, that when at school you were provided with a pile of academic books and mixed in among them were comics, Enid Blyton books, games and toys. Suppose now that you were left alone in a cubicle and given a free choice of how much time you spent reading the textbooks and how long you spent reading the comics, doing the puzzles and playing with the games. This is precisely the situation faced by young people on the Internet. Human nature being as it is, it is perhaps inevitable that the entertainment and amusement part of the package should dominate their time online.

One of the great advantages of a book on biology is that while a child is reading it he is unlikely to be playing solitaire or Tetris at the same time. Nor is he likely to be texting his friends, looking at pornography or reading about football. The problem with allowing a child to 'learn' mainly from the Internet is that you really have little idea of what the time is actually being spent on. I have a suspicion that the enthusiasm which so many home educators display for computer based learning is that it enables them to get on with things while their children are occupied on something 'educational'. No harm in that, as long as we don't deceive ourselves as to what is really happening.

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  1. "The fact is of course that the vast majority of what our children are doing on the Internet has very little to do with research and education. Human nature has not changed that much over the centuries and with so many distractions on offer on the Internet, it is inevitable that the fun things should distract greatly from the educational."

    Still hoping for a definition of 'educational' from you Simon.

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  2. Simon says-As my daughter, who is the same age, remarked wryly, "Nice work if you can get it!" She is up at 6.45 each morning in order to take a country bus ten miles to college.

    Does your daughter want a medal for geting up at 6.30? sounds like she is jealous of people who can get up later? is the college pushing her to hard Simon?

    Simon says Not that either of us were very surprised to hear that this was a typical day.

    What should be a typical day for home educators Simon up at 6,30 am? or why not early 5.30 am

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  3. Am I to induce from this Suzyg that your two children also spend much of the day slumped in front of the computer screen? You ask for a definition of "educational". I am no semanticist and do not really feel competent to give you any definition. However, I will say this on the subject. Obviously one can have "educational" experiences such as visiting a farm or meeting an old person. In the main though, I would call education the giving or receiving of systematic instruction. I am aware that this would preclude autonomous education.

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  4. "In the main though, I would call education the giving or receiving of systematic instruction. I am aware that this would preclude autonomous education."

    Not if it's asked for by the autonomous student, as it often is.

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  5. No, Simon you would be wrong to 'induce' that. My son struggles to use a computer at all.

    The point I was making is that your conclusion about internet use and your distinction between 'fun things' and educational [things] suggests that you do have an implicit model of what activities are educational and what aren't. I was just wondering what your model was.

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  6. Oooooooooohhhhhhh noooooooo!!!!!!!!!
    I agree with you!!!!!
    What's wrong with me????????????

    Mrs Anon

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  7. I'll have to try and read this post again because the first time all I heard was "mutter, grumble, pesky kids, new-fangled computer thingumyjigs, what's that music they're listening to, mutter, in my day, mutter, never even a tune you can hum, grumble, meeting real people, mutter, get off my lawn..."

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  8. Run, Mrs. Anon! It's too late for me, but you can still save yourself.

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  9. Most witty and amusing Ciaran. Yes, I dare say that when books were first introduced, some older people compalined that they were not a patch on the old vellum scrolls. The same certainly applied to printing; some scholars found it a deplorable and vulgar way of spreading information!

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  10. The problem some people are going to have with posts like this is that it all depends on your views on parenting; I wouldn't let my children spend all day on Facebook because I am a) unhappy about that and b) my relationship with my children is not one in which they can exhibit complete autonomy. We have family "principles" - so although that doesn't mean that I ignore their wishes come what may, it does mean that our whole family tries to live our lives according to those principles. This applies to all of us, adults and child, although clearly for the younger ones their participation in deciding those principles is more limited than for the adults.

    That is why I could never have been an autonomous home educator, but it isn't just about home education. It is more than that.

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  11. Old crazy Badman wants children to use the computer lots Badman got an interest in a company that does online virtual schools so has Badman daughter. i think Badman seee this as a nice gravy train he want Home educated children to sign up to his crazy virtual school.

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  12. For somebody whose son spends hours each day studying little but mathematics and chess on a computer, you seem to have an odd view of this type of education. The company of which you are thinking is BECTA, although Graham Badman's daughter is not at all connected with it. You are getting this muddled up with another company registered in Somerset.

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  13. I have never been remotely interested in the HE war over 'autonomous v structured' education. How other parents educate their child is not my business. Only MY children are my business. Only YOUR children are your business.

    It is your right as your daughter's father to use any style of education for her. I would never criticise you or your choices. I would never threaten you with force or violence if you did not see things my way.

    However, you Simon Webb, encourage the State to impose restrictions upon other parents simply because they are exercising the same parental rights that you enjoy freely.

    You are your own worst enemy, Simon Webb. You do not realise that as soon as YOU think you have a say over another parent's natural rights, another Simon Webb can come along and impose his violence on to you and your family.

    Internet v books, Facebook v school, parent led education v child led education. This is all rubbish, a smokescreen.

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  14. Simon says For somebody whose son spends hours each day studying little but mathematics and chess on a computer

    that is incorrect Simon and how do you know what Peter studys? are you saying you should not spend time on mathematics? and chess?

    Peter likes art as his best subject and makeing model boats to and tak-won do he is green belt now! Pete also likes to write letters M.P/s meeting them to Peter been to house of commons he really enjoyed it Peter also had meeting with Mr D Hind East Hants Parliamentary candidate for the Conservatives. Peter also wrote to crazy old Badman Peter but no reply but Peter had more luck with Diane Johnson M.P who has wrote many letters to Peter! Peter is also a scout leader and has also raised money for charity.Peter also likes animals and has 4 tortoises

    dont forget you can report us at any time to HCC if you feel Peter is not geting a suitable education why dont you put your money where your mouth is and report us to HCC go for it! the only problem is there have giveing up and will not issue a school attendnace order i have made repeated attempts to get one but so far no luck may be you can help!

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  15. Anonymous, you say,

    "Only MY children are my business. Only YOUR children are your business."

    This is not true at all. Of course my children are everybody's business, just as are your own children. By putting the word "my" in capital letters, you emphasise your ownership of the children, but nobody really owns another human being. If it were true that my children were only my business, then I would be free to neglect their education or even starve or torture them. After all, they are MY children!
    Of course, in reality I am not free to do this at all. Society would, quite rightly step in an prevent me. My child had a right to an education from the age of five until she was sixteen. Since this right is not some vague and abstract thing, but an actual legal right guaranteed by the government, it is perfectly proper that the government should check to see whether she is receiving it. I was certainly responsible for looking after my daughter when she was younger, but I did not own her. Everybody else in society had a stake in her welfare and it was very right and proper that others should call me to account for my treatment of her.

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  16. Simon says-This is not true at all Of course my children are everybody's business, just as are your own children.but nobody really owns another human being.

    then the state does not own a child to and should listen to a child who says i want to be home educated! or does wanting to be home educated not count the state and your self will only listen if child says i want a state school?

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  17. Autonomous parents give children more rights than the state, not less. The state is attempting to remove the option for their preferred style of education. Does this mean that the state owns the child I gave birth to? It certainly feels like it when they have the final say over the form their education takes over both their parents and the children themselves.

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  18. I would suggest that parents 'own' children in the same way children 'own' their parents. Comparing this type of ownership with other forms (society as a whole or the state) is like comparing apples with oranges. It's obvious that people within a normal family have more concern for members of the same than they will have for members of other families. I may well be different in the minority of dysfunctional families that do need support from the wider society, but that's where the support should be targeted, so that it is not spread so thinly that it does more harm than good, interfering and possibly damaging healthy families and not doing enough to help the ones that do need help.

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  19. You say, Anonymous,

    "It's obvious that people within a normal family have more concern for members of the same than they will have for members of other families"

    It is not always easy though to spot the families which are not normal. One might say that almost by definition, home educating families are not normal. I am bound to say that most of the home educating families which I have encountered, including my own, are a bit weird and slightly atypical. Perhaps it is this which makes some people uneasy.

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  20. "Of course my children are everybody's business, just as are your own children."

    My children are not everybody's business, and neither are yours. 'Society' does not collectively own every child. You have not thought through the consequences of such a preposterous idea. This is the stuff of which dystopian nightmares are made.

    "By putting the word "my" in capital letters, you emphasise your ownership of the children, but nobody really owns another human being."

    I do not 'own' my children as property, in the usual sense. I do however own the guardianship of my children. This guardianship ends when their self ownership begins. This guardianship is indisputable for every species. Only farmed animals and slaves do not own guardianship of their own offspring.

    "If it were true that my children were only my business, then I would be free to neglect their education or even starve or torture them."

    Yes, or the bogey man might come and steal them, or you might suddenly become insane and lock them in a cellar.

    Human beings have survived for many tens of thousands of years because parents love their children above all else and are solely responsible for their welfare. Parents want the very best for their children; they want the best education and they protect them from harm.

    The extremely few cases where INSANE parents do harm their own children cannot justify society's collective ownership of all children!

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  21. "It is not always easy though to spot the families which are not normal."

    I don't agree, it is pretty easy to spot anomalies. Take any high profile case of child abuse and you will see that the family was known to be at risk.

    "One might say that almost by definition, home educating families are not normal. I am bound to say that most of the home educating families which I have encountered, including my own, are a bit weird and slightly atypical."

    Yes, many HEs cook real food instead of microwave pizza, then sit at the table together, to eat it. Many HEs do not have a TV and do not watch X factor. Many HEs visit museums and galleries on a regular basis. Many HEs care more about knowledge than about information. Many HEs spend more time outdoors than indoors....

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  22. And gamble with their own children's health and that of the wider community by avoiding vaccinations, and run risks by relying upon crackpot cures like homeopathy rather than going to the doctor.........

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  23. Oh you're so conventional and closed minded, Simon. It's difficult to imagine why you decided to HE. Maybe it was just the control over your daughter's education and now you've lost that you want to help impose control over others?

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  24. I have been called many things in my time, some of them none too complimentary, but I never yet recollect being described as conventional! Thank you Anonymous, you have made my day. As for it being a sign of having a closed mind to believe that vaccination is a valuable tool in preventing epidemics or that all properly conducted double blind trials show homeopathic remedies as being no more efficacious than placebos, well there it is. You must surely realise Anonymous that there is all the difference in the world between being open minded and empty headed.

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  25. We have vaccinated but also accept that there are valid reasons to fear them. Safety testing has not been fully carried out in for all situations and co-existing disease. I'm not suggesting unconditional acceptance of these views but dismissing them as crackpot is closed minded and conventional. I've not heard you express any unconventional views here so far so I'm surprised you have not been described as conventional before. Maybe we have yet to see your unconventional side (apart from HE)? BTW, have you seen this study,http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20043074?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=1 Obviously it's too early to reach any conclusions as the results need to be reproduced by others, but I don't think placebo can be blamed for these responses.

    "The use of ultra-diluted natural products in the management of disease and treatment of cancer has generated a lot of interest and controversy. We conducted an in vitro study to determine if products prescribed by a clinic in India have any effect on breast cancer cell lines. We studied four ultra-diluted remedies (Carcinosin, Phytolacca, Conium and Thuja) against two human breast adenocarcinoma cell lines (MCF-7 and MDA-MB-231) and a cell line derived from immortalized normal human mammary epithelial cells (HMLE). The remedies exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against the two breast cancer cell lines, causing cell cycle delay/arrest and apoptosis. These effects were accompanied by altered expression of the cell cycle regulatory proteins, including downregulation of phosphorylated Rb and upregulation of the CDK inhibitor p27, which were likely responsible for the cell cycle delay/arrest as well as induction of the apoptotic cascade that manifested in the activation of caspase 7 and cleavage of PARP in the treated cells. The findings demonstrate biological activity of these natural products when presented at ultra-diluted doses. Further in-depth studies with additional cell lines and animal models are warranted to explore the clinical applicability of these agents."

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  26. "You must surely realise Anonymous that there is all the difference in the world between being open minded and empty headed."

    There is also a difference between being open minded and believing everything you hear. Just allowing a tiny element of doubt to exist alongside the belief that vaccinations are brilliant and homoeopathy is just placebo (though if it works maybe placebo should be used more often) and keeping your mind open to the possibility that you might be wrong is still keeping an open mind.

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    It's not that the old meds are getting weaker, drug developers say. It's as if the placebo effect is somehow getting stronger.

    The fact that an increasing number of medications are unable to beat sugar pills has thrown the industry into crisis. The stakes could hardly be higher. In today's economy, the fate of a long-established company can hang on the outcome of a handful of tests."

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