Wednesday, 19 January 2011

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Somebody drew my attention yesterday to a discussion on a forum about getting a place at medical school by using OU points rather than A levels. Quite a few universities specifically say that they are open to this possibility. On most websites for universities, they list a range of other qualifications which might be accepted instead of the conventional GCSEs and A levels. There is no doubt that this happens. We saw the case of Shena Deuchars, the new Treasurer of Education Otherwise, whose daughter is studying law at Exeter on the strength of OU points.

There are one or two aspects of this which need to be considered carefully, before anybody puts too much trust in this route. Most of the alternative qualifications listed by the major universities relate to foreign equivalents of A levels. Run your eye down the lists and you will find that for each country there are lists of matriculations and so on which universities rightly take as being the same value as British A levels. However, when a medical school says that one does not need A levels, this does not actually mean that they admit anybody from this country without them. A while ago Shena Deuchars was promoting as a 'myth' the idea that one needed to have A levels to study as a vet. This claim was made because some places denied that they were restricting their intake to students with A levels and saying that they looked at each candidate on her merits. This is fair enough, but does not really tell us whether or not anybody without A levels in this country has actually qualified as a doctor or vet. This is the crucial question, not whatever guff they stick up on their website! So, as regards to the comment yesterday drawing attention to the supposed use of OU points to get into medical school, does anybody know of a doctor who grew up in this country and did not take GCSEs or A levels? Does anybody know of a vet like this? A solicitor? This is the acid test of such an approach to avoiding the taking of GCSEs and A levels. I certainly know people who have got to university to study drama, art and film without taking these qualifications. I have not heard of anybody who has managed it for physics or medicine. I do not say that it has not happened, which is why I would be keen to hear about such cases.

Another way in which relying upon Open University points can handicap one is in the case of places like Edinburgh, for instance. Anybody wishing to study any of the humanities there will find that it is necessary to have at least a GCSE in a language. This is the sort of thing which one would not guess until actually making an application and it is a deal breaker. You could have six A levels at A* or any number of OU points, but without that GCSE in French, you will not get a place to study politics. Edinburgh is not alone in this sort of thing.

So can we now have a few details of professionals who have grown up in this country without taking A levels or GCSEs, together with the names of the institutions where they studied? This would be far more valuable than any number of quotations from websites asserting that this or that university will consider each case on its merits.


  1. Why are you so obsessed with University Webb?

  2. "However, when a medical school says that one does not need A levels, this does not actually mean that they admit anybody from this country without them."

    I think the people taking part in the linked discussion are English (the discussion was on the mature students forum, not the foreign students forum) and some of them had already been accepted or were studying at medical school. My only concern is that they are mature students and universities would consider HE students differently to mature students.

  3. I've also seen several comments from people who are at medical school after completing an access course.

  4. Hi,

    I have met students on an Access to Medicine course.

    Also, I happened to have an interesting chat with a student on an access course a while ago (not medicine) and she told me that several people on the course with her did not have GCSEs in Maths and English - they were studying for those alongside the access course.

    Mind you, the changes in HE funding will probably put off a lot of students who do access course routes, I imagine, as they often have children and so on.

  5. Thanks for that Allie, it is very interesting. Were the students you met guaranteed places at medical school after finishing the access course, or would they have to apply through UCAS and take their chances with everybody else? I shall have to ring the people running this course and ask more about it!

  6. I don't know if they had guaranteed places as I didn't ask. I'm not sure how the admission process works for students on Access courses but whenever I have spoken to students on those courses they have seemed very focussed on getting to university. I wonder if there's been much research done into outcomes for those students.

  7. Access course ended with PhD Archeaology and a job as Lecturer in Archaeological Practice, University of Bristol.

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    Also, from a UCAS report on the same site, 73% of university applicants with an Access to HE qualification were accepted compared to 78% for other applicants. Access to HE applicants make up 4% of applicants.

  9. Doing an access course doesn't mean the student will go on to a uni course, and as someone else said, with increasing fees for higher ed anyway that will make it harder for some families to make that commitment. I am sure though that anyone who does do an access course and survive it does show real determination and makes a good student.

    I think though that all this is missing the point. Access course have been around for a good few years and are a recognised route to uni. They are meant for adults though and so are not going to be the way forward for most home ed "school" leavers until they have spent a few years doing something else. Likewise OU may well be a good route into uni for some, although it is again not automatic; and families need to weigh up the chances for their student. What always concerns me though is not the alternative routes, which actually are only taken by a few - - we all seem to be able to name the ones from the home ed world who do get in this way, so there aren't many. Most home ed students choose not to stay at home after 16, but to carry on at some sort of college course, and there seem to be more difficulties and struggles at this level, and it is here that a greater understanding of the issues (and thus the "what to do at 15") has wider significance.

  10. "What always concerns me though is not the alternative routes, which actually are only taken by a few - - we all seem to be able to name the ones from the home ed world who do get in this way, so there aren't many."

    Why would we know about the vast majority of them? Only a tiny minority take part in online forums, and in my experience, many families with older children do not maintain contact with groups, so how would we find out what happens?

    "Most home ed students choose not to stay at home after 16, but to carry on at some sort of college course, and there seem to be more difficulties and struggles at this level, and it is here that a greater understanding of the issues (and thus the "what to do at 15") has wider significance."

    The HE children I know that have wanted to go on to college have been accepted onto BTEC level 1 or level 2 courses or a 'GCSE from scratch course'. Quite often they have started on a level 1 course (because of the lack of qualifications) but have been moved up to the level 2 course within a few weeks once the tutors sees what they are capable of, others prefer to take the extra year to get used to college. The main problem I've seen is for those that don't want to start on the level 1 course. Obviously if this is going to be an issue they should probably have consider taking GCSEs. You usually only need 4 or 5 unless you are aiming particularly for Oxbridge or another Russell Group university.

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