Tuesday, 16 April 2013

A final few words about Cheryl Moy





My posts about Alison Sauer, Cheryl Moy and Wendy Charles-Warner seem to have struck a chord or touched a nerve with an awful lot of people. Since many of them were opposed to Cheryl Moy and had unflattering things to say about her, I think it only fair to let her own words speak for her; so that we can make an objective judgement about what sort of person she is.

As some may know, Cheryl posts on Mumsnet under the pseudonym of Pinkchez.  Here she is six weeks ago, offering advice about an aspect of the statementing process:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/a1688836-Is-it-true-if-you-home-educate-you-lose-the-statement


I think that the easiest way of seeing whether people falling out with Cheryl is down to her or is rather being caused by jealous and spiteful parents who are not as caring as her, is to look at an earlier thread on Mumsnet.

In April 2009, the school  which Cheryl’s oldest child was attending wanted to have him assessed as being possibly on the autistic spectrum. She was bitterly opposed to any such move, because she felt that her son was actually gifted and that any diagnosis of this sort would in some way be a bad thing for him. She went onto Mumsnet on April 24th 2009 to ask on a special needs thread if other mothers had children who had  been misdiagnosed and also to announce that she was setting up a support group. Here is her original post:

How many parents have got kids with these diagnosis but arent convinced its right, I have teachers doin their best to get my son labelled, but it isnt going to happen, he is highly gifted, his IQ is in the top 2% of the population at 8, but this comes with some issues, he is scared of new situations, doesnt like shopping centres above ground floor, chews clothes, wont sit still, gets bored etc,
does this sound familiar?
I'm trying to establish a support group if anyone is interested?


The exchanges which followed may be found here:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/744555-misdiagnosis-of-autism-aspergers-ADHD/AllOnOnePage


All the parents were sympathetic and did their very best to help Cheryl with advice and by sharing their own experiences. She grew increasingly angry with everybody and it took her just four days to explode and fall out with all the other parents. Here is her final post:

some people on here need to get off their high horses and see what else is happening beyond their experiences
and can i add having letters after your name means bugger all.
most have you have completely mis understood why i came on here, luckily for those that have contacted me, i now have enough open minded non ignorant/arogant people to create a support group. i do not want your opinions regarding my son, i didnt ask for them, good luck to your kids they are gonna need it with parents that have serious issues like some of you. and i dont care if this offends, you should learn to read and understand my very first message. if you didnt understand it u shud have asked instead of attacked.


As can be seen, here is Cheryl going into a group of strangers, all of whom had children with special needs, and apparently asking for advice. Her unfortunate manner managed to alienate everybody else and she ended up after a few days by accusing the other parents of attacking her. Not only that, but she tells them that they themselves  have problems that are likely to have an adverse effect upon their children! I think that this sheds some light upon the difficulties that others have with Cheryl Moy and also on her own personality. As for a woman who behaved like this then setting up a special needs group, as she claims to have done last month…

163 comments:

  1. Im sad to say that none of this surprises me. Having observed conversations over a number of years and also knowing this woman personally i came to my own conclusions a while ago. Given time most sensible folk will also see through the facade although i really do feel for the unknowing who get sucked in and spat out.

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  2. Wow........I am surprised. I thought she was fighting for a diagnosis for her son. I thought she was a champion of the disabled.

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  3. 'Wow........I am surprised. I thought she was fighting for a diagnosis for her son. I thought she was a champion of the disabled.'

    Why no, she specifically says that she does not think that children on the autistic spectrum can be very clever; certainly not as bright as her own son. I was particularly enchanted to see her insulting parents who had mentioned that they were themselves on the spectrum, by saying; 'good luck to your kids they are gonna need it with parents that have serious issues like some of you.'

    This is pleasingly ironic, since Cheryl is herself now posing as somebody with Asperger's in order to find a new sexual partner:

    http://www.aspiedating.net/pinkchez

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  4. http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/a1688836-Is-it-true-if-you-home-educate-you-lose-the-statement

    pinkchez Sat 02-Mar-13 12:45:33

    Hi, if you choose to Home Educate then the statement stands, you can request that section 4 be changed to state education otherwise/home education. If you can meet your childs needs then there is no further assistance from the LA, but if you do need support then the LA have to provide it, such as SALT etc. They HAVE to keep the statement unless they can show he no longer needs it. If you want further help please feel free to message me, I run the largest Home Education support group (over a thousand members) on FB, as well a special needs group.

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  5. Its time Cheryl stood down from all aspects of representing Home education and supporting families. Her advice is poor and very often wrong and threatening. She is a loose cannon and highly erratic and unstable. She is nothing but a relatively new home educator, with a big mouth and little content. She has done nothing to help people, only intimidate them and set them up for a heavy fall.

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    1. The same can be said about simon

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    2. Only that Simon blurbs on his blog whether anyone listens or not, rather then trying to take over the Home education groups.

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  6. As a person diagnosed with AS, which I think now is just in the group of high functioning autistic spectrum disorders, I have to say that she doesn't have a clue.

    A further irony to Chez signing up to aspiedating is that I doubt people will believe she is an aspie...

    ---Due to lack of intellect or depth of understanding in any subject.---

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    1. (Ironic because she believes those with ASD must be intellectually stunted.)

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  7. She can also be found on a single widows dating site. Amoungst many others.

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    1. Because that's *totally* normal behaviour. :/

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  8. Wait, I thought Cheryl was lovely and easily approached? I thought she apologised when she was wrong? I thought she wasn't "a monster"?

    The truth is, folks, Cheryl is a vile human being who exploits weakness for her own advantage. As far as Cheryl is concerned, being on the spectrum is a weakness. Couldn't have that for own child, could she?

    Oh, that is, until she realised that there were other benefits to her child having a label- attention, for HER. The affections of her growing adoring masses. (Unsuspecting masses, but still)

    Really, the woman is about as subtle as a breeze block, anyone with the slightest bit of interest in human behaviour can read her like a book.

    To those who defend her: LOOK at what you are defending. A woman who clearly uses her son's label to benefit herself. Otherwise, why would she advertise herself on a dating board designed for those with ASD?

    Wake up.

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    1. This is your business because.......?

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    2. Same reason you presume it's your business to defend her.

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    3. That is so funny. How is asking what business it is of yours is defending someone. Grow up

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    4. Why are you so offended that I think it's my business? You don't think using your child's difficulties to your own advantage is disgusting behaviour? Whether it's my business or not, I'll continue to object to her insistence on representing the home-ed community when she so blatantly exploits the vulnerable.

      Don't like that? Tough shit.

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    5. 'Represents the home ed community' haha I'm part of that & I represent myself

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    6. Good for you! Let's keep it that way, eh?

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  9. I categorically state that any dating site profiles currently in use are not me, I have been dating the same man for over 6 months (he's sat at the side of me now). I have never had a profile on any aspie site or widow site. I have used dating sites in the past, but have never used those sites.

    I am appalled at the lengths people will go to to make me look awful.

    As for the old (2009) comments on netmums, you will find I and my son had had an awful time at the school, at the time I truly didn't think my son had ASD, the Paediatrician confirmed that he had sensory processing disorder as well as confirmed by the Ed.psych that he was gifted, I had read up a little about children being misdiagnosed and that was the point of the discussion, yes i got a little angry, because people had not read the whole thread before commenting on my latest response, which meant they had not read my comments in context, it was highly infuriating, but really, something that happened 4 years ago needs to be discussed again? something that at the time I was only just learning about?

    It is after years of home ed that i have become to know my son more, and now realise that he is ASD, which is supported by the clinical psych and ed psych. It has been a long journey, one of which is actually no one else's business, unless i choose to share it with them.

    Dragging up very old conversations Simon, really is stalking now, and a little frightening at how intent you are on ruining me, people don't like me, yep i know that, i am gobby, yep i know that too, i am opinionated, guess what? i know that too, but I will help anyone that ever asks.

    Simon I personally now ask why you are doing this? do you think you are doing a public service? telling the world how awful I am? Or have you run out of ammunition on the others you have done this to? Anyone that has paid attention to your blog will see a pattern. You rake up as much as you can, then when no one is interested and finally realises you are talking crap, you move on to your next target. I ask out of courtesy and respect for another human, that you leave this be now, the people that don't like me can continue to, but the people that do not know me should be given the opportunity to get to know me should they wish to.

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    1. "something that happened 4 years ago needs to be discussed again?"

      Most people don't talk like that, ever.

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    2. I was on one of the home ed sites that you Cheryl Moy runs alonside others and quickly came off it you are a very rude person, in fact when you and Alison S were challenged by myself and partner you went out of your way to get info on my partner on other sites, listing his name and asking questions that left me wondering what exactly you were trying to achieve, you Cheryl even asked who I was amongst other things. As for your son being gifted ALL children are gifted and it is people like you that need the likes of social services knocking on the door and your children put into school, you are a hater and a provocateur, and we will find out what you and Alison as well as others are about. As I was always told everything comes out in the wash

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  10. ' I have used dating sites in the past, but have never used those sites.

    I am appalled at the lengths people will go to to make me look awful.'

    Your contention being that others have signed up to those sites to make you 'look awful'?

    'which is actually no one else's business, unless i choose to share it with them.'

    The problem being Cheryl, that you do share an awful lot about your life with very many people in so many public spaces. We know every detail of your son Matthew's problems, because you blog about his life, we know chapter and verse about your sexual activities, we even know that your father suffered from hereditary spastic paraperisis and that your sister has a neurological sleep disorder! You tell all the world these things and then behave as though your privacy has been violated.

    'I have been dating the same man for over 6 months '

    An of course we know, because you go into such detail about your personal life on your blog, that this is man is a friend of Alison Sauer's!

    'Simon I personally now ask why you are doing this? do you think you are doing a public service? telling the world how awful I am?'

    Actually, I do not think that you are particularly awful; it is more that you have an awful effect upon home education! I belong to the TES forum and the comments that you were making there last month were creating a terrible impression of home education among the other users; most of whom are teachers. You even pretended at one point to be Wendy Charles-Warner's grandson! This brings home education into disrepute.

    Another thing to bear in mind is that you have come on here before now, posting as Pink, and being very rude. You were a party to the conversation in which it was suggested that nuisance deliveries be made to my home. You called me a prat publicly on the facebook group. Then to accuse me of stalking you is a bit rich!

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    1. I haven't the time to address everything here. but just quickly; no i did not pretend to be her grandson, i was passing on a message from him!
      yes i share my life, why shouldn't I?
      Yes i was awful on TES, in response to some bloody awful, bigoted numpties that had no intention of listening to anything anyone said to them, as you will note, i was not the only person responding in that manner, as we had all run out of steam.
      Yes i used to post as Pink, i was knew to blogger i believe and didn't know how to sign as myself.

      i was party to that conversation, that you so cleverly have never shown the full discussion. Which shows that the manure delivery was a joke.

      you are a prat! there's no denying that.

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    2. Everything that Simon Webb has slagged Cheryl Moy off with above is irrelevant to HE. Anything you do slag her off with is irrelevant to NOW. To 2013.
      Its character assassination pure and simple.
      No one is allowed a second chance? You are not God, you are not the person who decides to can like who in HE. People should be able to make their own friendships and proceed with them with reference to how they are treated. It's not up to you. Do you have no life other than this?
      What a vile, insecure bully you come across as Mr Webb. Needing to belittle others to make yourself look like the God and saviour of HE.
      I could never trust you to honestly help after all I have read on here.
      As a newbie, you are turning me against looking for help and advice.
      After reading all this, I am now more likely to turn to this Cheryl for help than to you or any other who has joined in the bullying. I started out as an impartial reader, now, well. You horrify me.

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    3. "You horrify me."

      You don't get out much do you?

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    4. Cheryl has had a terribly detrimental affect on home education. She is controlling and narcissistic and tells people that her way is the only way.

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  11. '
    i was party to that conversation, that you so cleverly have never shown the full discussion. Which shows that the manure delivery was a joke. '

    Here is the exchange in full:


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    Can anyone get me his house address? Wendy may need to serve papers on him


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    whats his wife called?

    23:22Dawn Baxendale left the conversation.


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    And for future reference and deliveries of manure...
    Simon Webb



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    i once did have 2 tons of manure delivered to someone


    Perhaps you would like to tell us why you wanted to know my wife's name? Which parts were the joke? Do you mean that when you said that you had had two tons of manure delivered to somebody, that was not true?

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  12. 'It's a bit rubbishly done with "A message from a Home Educated lad:" at the beginning but I think that was her trying to say it was from someone else.'

    Indeed it was. It is my contention though that this was not written by the thirteen year-old boy in question.

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  13. 'you are a prat! there's no denying that'

    Yes, I was not objecting particularly; I have been called a good deal worse. I was pointing out that you have been saying some pretty awful things about me to a number of people. I don't think you can really complain when I turn my attention to you and your affairs. After all, before I had ever even heard of you, you were apparently trying to find out about my family, by asking if people knew what my wife's name is. Given that you were delving around like that in my background, I do not really feel that you can be surprised if I started to ask myself a few questions about you and your life!

    Has it never struck you Cheryl, that if you begin being rude about people and investigating their backgrounds, that they might start to take a similar interest in you? I had never even head of you until last October, when you began to encourage people to make a nuisance of themselves to me and my family.

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    1. Simon, how on earth is me asking, once, what your wives name is, to be construed as investigating your background, it was an idea to help find your address. which took 1 minute to find. I have never encouraged anyone to make a nuisance of themselves to you or your family.

      The conversation with smilies and LOL's as it actually was said, clearly a joke on the manure front.


      14 October 2012
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      Can anyone get me his house address? Wendy may need to serve papers on him

      14 October 2012
      Cheryl Moy
      whats his wife called?

      14 October 2012Dawn Baxendale left the conversation.

      14 October 2012
      Alison Sauer
      And for future reference and deliveries of manure...
      Simon Webb
      Address removed (cos i wouldnt divulge that publicly)

      14 October 2012
      Cheryl Moy
      i once did have 2 tons of manure delivered to someone :)

      14 October 2012
      Alison Sauer
      We could have a whip round...I'll put a tenner in the pot!

      14 October 2012
      Cheryl Moy
      lol :)

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    2. "14 October 2012
      Alison Sauer
      We could have a whip round...I'll put a tenner in the pot!"

      Alison certainly does enjoy a good whip round...

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    3. Thanks, I just snorted tea all over my monitor :D

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    4. My pleasure :p

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  14. OK, so allowing for the face this was four years ago. Since then I presume you have not been derogatory to any families with special needs or children? You have not since been abusive or aggressive to children and parents with these difficulties?

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    1. I do not feel that i have, no, and the comments picked out above are not used in context. My son is SEN, i am cool with that, I do admin a SEN group, with other admins, and no one has ever mentioned to me that i am abusive or aggressive to them.

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    2. Didn't you call your neighbour's special needs daughter a rather derogatory name last year on Facebook? And threaten to ring SS about them?

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    3. He posted a link to the full context...

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    4. No I didn't, I was having a huge rant at the situation, she isn't special needs, non are diagnosed anyway. There was a situation that was extremely upsetting and yes I did a fb post that wasn't the calmest of posts. I love that little girl to bits, she is here daily. I didn't threaten to ring SS I was left in a situation that I feared they were being neglected so I was taking the decision seriously and was asking for support and discussion so I could at least make an educated decision on the matter.
      I'm in my phone now and can't figure out how to do this as me, but for what it's worth, it's cheryl.

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    5. You called her, and I quote, a "Dirty little fucking shit."

      Apologies for the heavy language, but I wouldn't want to paraphrase and mislead people.

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    6. That sounds like you adore her. What do you say to children you hate?

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    7. Come on, Cheryl, deny it. DENY that you said that about that little girl. This is exactly the reason people buy your alter-ego as little miss wonderful, because you lie so bloody well!

      Well I won't buy it, EVER. I've seen the vicious things you say about people, and you can't erase what you've already done.

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    8. That's an awful thing to say about a child:-(

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  15. Simon have you ever thought asking about your wife's name it might have been to confirm they have the right Simon Webb on 192 etc that for a couple quid gives your full details considering the original conversation was to do with someone wanting to serve papers on you. Seriously I really don't see why you are going to such lengths & not only trying to destroy Cheryl but split the home education community. I'm starting to think you are doing this because you work for the LA & what better way for them to get what they want than to try & take out the vocal people. I'm sure people could quote things you have said in 2009 about monitoring as well

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    1. "I'm starting to think you are doing this because you work for the LA"

      You are confused. That would be Alison Sauer.

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  16. 'I have never encouraged anyone to make a nuisance of themselves to you or your family.

    The conversation with smilies and LOL's as it actually was said, clearly a joke on the manure front.'

    You seem to be saying that you had never really had two tons of manure delivered to somebody? Odd, that you should have said so then. The attempts to create nuisance were interspersed throughout the whole of that exchange, which is too long to print here in its entirety. For example:

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    Far too tempting just to sign up his email address to random lists for fun.

    Was that a joke as well? The overall effect of this was to cause me to suppose that a group of people were going to be creating mischief for me and my family. The fact that unwanted deliveries began a few days later confirmed that initial impression. If you don't want to be the object of other people's attention, perhaps you might try and avoid this sort of thing in the future.

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    1. well as i didnt say that, i can't comment on the authors intent, but i took it as a joke yes.

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  17. 'I'm starting to think you are doing this because you work for the LA & what better way for them to get what they want than to try & take out the vocal people. I'm sure people could quote things you have said in 2009 about monitoring as well'

    I do not work for any local authority. As far as what I said in 2009 is concerned, I was in favour of registration and monitoring. My views on that subject have not changed.

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    1. Ironically, Cheryl does more to show a need for registration and monitoring then you ever could.

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    2. Ain't *that* the truth?

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  18. "OK, so allowing for the face this was four years ago. Since then I presume you have not been derogatory to any families with special needs or children? You have not since been abusive or aggressive to children and parents with these difficulties?"

    I am certain from Cheryl's point of view it will be a no on both counts. I understand that Cheryl did not know anything about ASD at the time, but the attitude towards people who do have asd as displayed by her comments is not something that most people would have displayed. That is worrying.

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  19. But of course we can only take your word for this like everything else you say on here

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    1. You can actually go and look, he provided a source.

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    2. Provided a source about not working for the LA?

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  20. 'trying to destroy Cheryl '

    By quoting her own words...

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    1. There is little more destructive then the words of the Pink Diva.

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  21. Chez said:

    "I am appalled at the lengths people will go to to make me look awful."

    You are often your own worst enemy.

    Chez said:

    "but really, something that happened 4 years ago needs to be discussed again? something that at the time I was only just learning about?"

    I agree, let's stop flogging the dead horse. Can we move on now? You might even learn how to censor yourself so that your worse don't come back to haunt you later in life.

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  22. Simon the constant posts about her is what I'm referring to. People find your other posts boring, you need an ego boost so you post about Cheryl, Wendy or Alison . It's seriously getting boring, your just repeating yourself. You've even quoted things from 2009. What was the point.

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    1. On the contrary, It shows a very clear pattern of Cheryl's unstable nature. Was there not a psychiatrist on here earlier. The verbal attacks, sexual promiscuity and constant need for glorification and seeking of professional admiration. A psychiatrist, or at least a good one, would have noticed many recurring symptoms.

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    2. The only pattern I'm seeing is Simons posts are boring so for an ego boost he posts about Cheryl, Alison or Wendy. You only have to look back at his posts & comments to see the pattern

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    3. Then why do you keep following his blog and posting, surely that is just boosting his ego?

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    4. You don't have to follow someone to see the pattern just flicking through past posts is enough

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    5. Is reading past posts not following his blog? Or is that how you do it secretly?

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    6. Just goes to show how stupid people are in here. Read title & number of comments is not following its flicking through

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    7. No it is indeed following, like a little puppy in fact.

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  23. Actually you quoting from 2009 just screams you've run out of things to say about her & are clutching at straws

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    1. Here come the minions.

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    2. Yes Simons minions are always on here

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  24. Well Simon I have come across your blog for the first time today. I take it the point of your blog is to attempt to discourage home educators, whilst ripping shreds out of Allison, Wendy and Cheryl.
    When I was a child and picked on girls I was labelled a bully. It did nothing for my reputation.

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    1. Is that like picking on the vulnerable?

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    2. "When I was a child and picked on girls I was labelled a bully. It did nothing for my reputation."

      Sometime the girl IS the bully. Enter Cheryl Moy.

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    3. That should be the boy is the bully... Enter Simon

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  25. .............And still they tried, as a friend or as a stranger, who just happened upon this blog and thought it unfair.

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    1. Well it would be hard for Simons minions to grasp

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    2. Simon has minions? Bet he is glad to hear that.

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    3. If he has minions, they are awfully bad at it. Maybe they need to read their minion contracts.

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  26. "Well Simon I have come across your blog for the first time today."

    That's funny

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    1. Very coincidental.

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  27. ".............And still they tried, as a friend or as a stranger, who just happened upon this blog and thought it unfair."

    This is even funnier

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  28. "The majority of people who have met him have agreed autistic kids can be bright but not to the degree that my son is." - http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/744555-misdiagnosis-of-autism-aspergers-ADHD/AllOnOnePage



    Cheryl, this is effectively hate speech.

    What if instead of "autistic" you had written "black"?

    Civilised people don't slate whole groups like that.

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    1. Hear!Hear!

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    2. Or how about "deaf" or even "depressed" to get a closer parallel.

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    3. And would waiting four years make hate speech OK!

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    4. I just came across this blog looking for a date. Boy am I glad I found this.

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    5. How about the rest of the quote so it's in context

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    6. "The majority of people who have met him have agreed autistic kids can be bright but not to the degree that my son is. he does have some similar traits, but if you read up on misdiagnosis of kids in the past its scary, once you take the approach of giftedness instead of autism etc, the kid becomes a diff (happier) child"

      You're right, the full quote is MUCH worse.

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    7. Or just follow the link Anon posted to the full thread...

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    8. This is a case of be careful what you ask for as the full quote is far more damaging.

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    9. Taking a different approach that makes a child happy is more damaging? Really what's its like to live on Simons planet

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    10. Claiming that children with autism can't be as happy as they would be otherwise.

      That is bigoted propaganda.

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    11. No taking a different approach is what made him happy. Why treat them as autistic if they're not, why treat someone as dyslexic if they're not. Changing the approach is what is being said

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    12. Shame she didn't say that.

      She said she didn't think her son was autistic - because autistic people can't be as intelligent as her son-.

      The reason people can do badly after being diagnosed is that bigoted misconceptions like this lead to them being treated differently.

      People who think in terms of "[Treating] them as autistic" are exactly the problem.



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    13. ' but if you read up on misdiagnosis of kids in the past its scary, once you take the approach of giftedness instead of autism etc, the kid becomes a diff (happier) child'

      Do you keep missing this part of what she had said

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    14. Yes, giftedness -instead- of autism. Implication still being that these are mutually exclusive. There shouldn't be an approach based on autism, there should be an approach based on the individual.

      She's concerned about her son being labelled as autistic because she thinks that means he's lesser somehow. Desperate for her son to be anything else but "one of them".


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    15. Yes there is a difference between asd & gt. sometimes they go hand in hand other times they don't. If there is a possibility the child isn't asd & there is another reason for the behaviour that seems like asd wouldn't it be better to explore the possibilities instead of just labelling. I have a son who was dx ADHD which was a misdiagnosis because there's traits of it in dyspraxia. Through school he was treated by the 1st label but once that was taken away & dyspraxia label instead he was treated as dyspraxia & behaviour had improved. There really is a big difference when approach children with labels. As was said before why treat someone as ADHD when they're not

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    16. Read the thread and title, she's specifically saying she doesn't want her child to be diagnosed with AS because he's too smart for that.

      She's not going for a particular diagnosis, just anything else.

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    17. Gifted is a label and she didn't mind using that and treating her child as if giftedness was the source of all of her child's problems. So why so against autism if it fits? Because it wasn't as socially acceptable to her of course.

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    18. So working to the child's ability is now a problem? People are now questioning her parenting? How low are you lot going to go

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    19. "So working to the child's ability is now a problem? People are now questioning her parenting? How low are you lot going to go"

      You have missed the point completely. This isn't about Cheryl, shocking I know, it's about the thousands of people with ASD who who may stumble upon her offensive comments.

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    20. You mean there's going to be thousands of people who will read it completely different to what is written

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    21. "You mean there's going to be thousands of people who will read it completely different to what is written"

      No. I mean there are thousands of people who will read it properly and correctly and not through the eyes of someone, like you, who will excuse blatant bigotry.

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    22. You can't excuse something that is not there

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  29. let the person without sin cast the first stone

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    1. "let the person without sin cast the first stone"

      John?

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    2. Actually it was Jesus who said that...

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    3. And he was talking about wanting the first go!

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    4. I stand corrected.

      Jesus?

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    5. '"let the person without sin cast the first stone"

      John?'

      At risk of sounding horribly pedantic, it was of course John who said this. The anecdote may be found in the Gospel of John, Chapter 8, verse 7.

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    6. I was right. aha I did however enjoy wondering if Jesus had posted

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    7. John was writing about Jesus and Jesus actually said that:

      1but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

      2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

      But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

      9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

      11“No one, sir,” she said.

      “Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

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    8. 'John was writing about Jesus and Jesus actually said that:'

      That is an exceedingly interesting point. Unless you are one of those hard-line protestants who subscribe to the doctrine of the inerrancy of scripture, then the furthest we may go is to say that John said it. He may of course have been reporting accurately Jesus' words.

      I think that the person who said above, 'John?' , was actually wondering if he had the right Gospel; which I was happy to confirm.

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  30. 'Simon I would describe as a hypocritical megalomaniac that only has the balls to pick on women.'

    As to my being a hypocritical megalomaniac; I hardly feel that I can make an objective judgement on this accusation. As far as only picking on women goes, presumably the writer has never read the things which I say about Mike Fortune-Wood? This is, in any case, a statistical artifact. The majority of those running lists, blogs and forums about home education are women and so I am more likely to fall out with them than I am men.

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  31. 'Provided a source about not working for the LA?'

    This story, that I am secretly a local authority officer, was doing the rounds years ago. There was not a shred of truth in it then and nor is it the case now. This started when somebody called Simon Webb was discovered to be working for Kent and it was assumed that it was me.

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  32. Let the person without sin cast the first lump of manure

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    1. "If you have any poo, fling it now."

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  33. 'Simons minions'

    How cool is that? Eat your heart out, other home educating bloggers; I am the only one with minions!

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    1. We are not worthy to comment now. You have minions!

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      Sorry, I thought we were playing the word association game.

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  35. 'knob'

    Always a little sad when somebody can't keep up with a conversation and decides instead to start shouting things like 'knob' or 'poo'. I had a child like that once, but fortunately she grew out of it by the time she was four.

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    1. Is that to go with the giant bollocks you currently have, from outing the controversial three?

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  36. 'That should be the boy is the bully... Enter Simon'

    I am hugely flattered that anybody should describe me as a 'boy'! This is my day for compliments. First I am told that I have minions and now that I am a boy. Keep them coming folks; I am feeling pretty braced by all this.

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    1. Your blog has proved you still haven't grown up yet & prefer to be on the playground

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    2. How has it proved that?

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    3. His blog has proved that he won't be frightened into silence. Nothing more.

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    4. Oh how very deluded. It's the deluded comments that's keeping people entertained

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    5. "that's"

      that are....grammar fail. A lot of that among the minions.

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    6. I'm sorry teacher I didn't know we were in school time now

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    7. Didn't you see Cheryl on the playground when you were screaming and stamping your feet?

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    8. No just Simon & his followers

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    9. Well yes Simon and his followers is considerable more then Cheryl and her numerous guises.

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  37. Seriously, bringing something up from 2009? People change. They learn and move on and I am sure this was an emotional time for her and her son.
    Also, there are 4 admins of that group?
    You are obviously stuck in a rut here? Why are you trying to ruin peoples lives? You are an obsessed bully.
    You really are a spiteful, nasty, mean son of a bitch.

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    1. "Seriously, bringing something up from 2009? People change. They learn and move on and I am sure this was an emotional time for her and her son.
      Also, there are 4 admins of that group?
      You are obviously stuck in a rut here? Why are you trying to ruin peoples lives? You are an obsessed bully.
      You really are a spiteful, nasty, mean son of a bitch."

      The Cheryl school of etiquette. When one cannot win an argument with intellect, one should call their opponent names. You've learned well A* for you

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  38. 'Why are you trying to ruin peoples lives? You are an obsessed bully.
    You really are a spiteful, nasty, mean son of a bitch.'

    How would it ruin somebody's life to quote something that was said four years ago? This sort of thing happens all the time. People commenting here sometimes quote things that I said in newspaper articles from 2009; is that really ruining my life? I think that you need to get a sense of perspective here!

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  39. Good grief. Who cares what someone said four years ago? Especially when it's very normal outpourings of a stressed parent. If you want to spend your time digging up dirt on someone, which is utterly pointless anyway, then at least pick someone with some dirt on them to dig!

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  40. 'If you want to spend your time digging up dirt on someone'

    Not really the case. The mother of a child on the spectrum directed me to Mumsnet and was a little alarmed at the thought of Cheryl Moy running a special needs group. One can see her point.

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    1. Cheryl Moy doesn't run a special needs group but she rarely comments on there so how would that be relevant to something that was said in 2009? There are a lot of parents out there who are in denial when their child is 1st diagnosed. Does that make them a bad parent? Cheryl has accepted her son for who is that is all that matters

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    2. Denial, yes. Bigoted outpouring against a group of people, not so much.

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  41. 'Cheryl Moy doesn't run a special needs group '

    Well, I am only going by what she herself said:

    I run the largest Home Education support group (over a thousand members) on FB, as well a special needs group.

    ' There are a lot of parents out there who are in denial when their child is 1st diagnosed. Does that make them a bad parent? '

    I don't believe that anybody said that Cheryl was a bad parent. I was making the point really that she has an uncanny knack for falling out with people and being rude!

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  42. She is an admin of a special needs group & I know the other admin would step in if she said anything out of place. We can all fall out with people & be rude to them after. If you don't like someone you don't need to write a blog about them. Go talk to real life friends (I'm assuming you have some) or your wife about it. This blog is not a healthy way to deal with it

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  43. yes i know i am childish for saying this. simon you are are knob. not a little knob in the correct place, but a throbbing great knob on the end of a nose.

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    1. Are you ever left alone with children? I really hope not.

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  44. Not to mention that you are so far up your own arse that we could use you as a hula hoop.

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  45. My family and I have experienced nothing but genuine help and support from Cheryl. We experienced harassment and sly underhand behaviour from our LA for years including an EHE officer who made up her own purportedly legally required guidelines for home ed that changed dramatically from visit to visit. We would try to fulfil these purported requirements and then at the next visit the report would say we were doing the completely wrong thing even though we were only following this woman's suggestions to the letter. The local authority staff sent us many menacing letters but completely ignored any of our correspondence; until Cheryl got in touch with them then they started being a whole lot more communicative, admitted their letters were worded very badly and are now looking at their policies overall. We cannot thank her enough. You seem like a very petty-minded, jealous and bitter individual

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  46. "until Cheryl got in touch with them then they started being a whole lot more communicative, admitted their letters were worded very badly and are now looking at their policies overall. We cannot thank her enough."

    It is good that you had a positive outcome. However you didn't need Cheryl for that. If Cheryl had given you the knowledge, then you could have rung up yourself and settle the matter. Then you would also be in a position now to pass your knowledge on to the next person, and so on. That is how it should be done.

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    1. There's a lot of people who are not confident speaking to people on phones. It's good to have the option for someone to do it for you. It's the same with letter writing. Sometimes it takes that help on hand to start with to get the confidence to do it yourself or to even pass on your knowledge. I have found other home educators very intimidating in other groups so I don't ask on them groups for help

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    2. A lot of us work with our L.As on a regular basis to improve communications between home educators and the L.A. Cheryl's L.A infact happen to be one of the worst in the country. How exactly is she resolving issues locally and nationally then. Other then coming on the internet and pretending to be one of her saved "children"

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    3. That's good there's a lot of you who are working with your LA's to improve communications. But if newbies don't know your out there doing good how do they know who to call upon for help with their LA. my 1st home ed contact was with a vocal ex home edder who just happened to be my local eo rep. She gave me the same advise as Cheryl does with others. They offered to make phone calls to the LA for me if I them to. My LA is up & down. The EHE bod is good but they're not the 1st contact with new families

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    4. "my 1st home ed contact was with a vocal ex home edder who just happened to be my local eo rep. She gave me the same advise as Cheryl does with others. They offered to make phone calls to the LA for me if I them to."

      Yes, offered is the key here. Knowledge given first to help a person feel confident to handle things on their own usually does the trick. If it doesn't, there are avenues where the person remains in charge of their own HE life, at least in the eyes of their own LA, that are more helpful in the long run than a stranger phoning. You want your LA to listen to you and to your fellow local HEers. You're the ones there on the ground and it is important your LA knows that this is the case. Anyone offering to take over rather than facilitate is not helping the situation for the long term.

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    5. Yes it was offered & If I wasn't confident with dealing with the LA I would have taken them up on their offer. I have only seen Cheryl offer help. It's up to individuals if they take the offer all not. We're all adults so we can make our own minds up about these things. The same goes for whether someone likes Cheryl or not. All I can see is a few people have fell out with Cheryl & hold a grudge. They need to get over it & get on with their lives. Life is too short as it

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    6. I am the original anon who said Cheryl speaking to our LA was a breakthrough. I tried many times in the past to contact my LA via telephone, email and letter all attempts at contact were ignored or I was told the staff member in question was not available but they would get back to me-they never did. I have a lot of experience of dealing with various public sector organisations and I have never experienced such behaviour as I have with the LA department that deals with EHE here. Cheryl's help was invaluable. After that the LA would read my letters and respond properly as they should have done all along. Cheryl never bulldozed us into anything but she offered her help and we gladly took it as all attempts by ourselves had failed and the next step was to get a solicitor to contact them. All the allegations made about Cheryl are completely false and I personally hope she takes legal action against this blog and anyone who is making these false claims. Whatever personal beef people here have with Cheryl it is not an acceptable way to behave.

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    7. Nonsense. If Cheryl got through to your LA then you could have done.

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    8. "Cheryl never bulldozed us into anything but she offered her help and we gladly took it as all attempts by ourselves had failed and the next step was to get a solicitor to contact them."

      If it were to the point where a solicitor was needed you should have retained a solicitor. It was obviously not the case.

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  47. We couldn't afford a solicitor though we were about to go to the CAB on the issue. With all due respect only myself, my family and others in the borough who have had problems dealing with the staff at the LA involved will understand what I am talking about. They are very disrespectful of parents but get a third party involved and they will listen. This particular borough are notorious and well known amongst other LAs as they are very uncooperative, behave very arrogantly and refuse to share information they are legally obligated to between different agencies. Not just on the home ed issue but when it comes to housing, social services and other departments as well. I am not going to argue the toss with you all I know is that Cheryl provided the breakthrough for us, as I know she has successfully managed to do with other families dealing with different LAs too. We had exhausted all our other options as this has been going on for several years, you can consider us as 'weak', 'thick', 'stupid' or whatever you like for finding Cheryl's support invaluable doesn't bother me quite frankly.

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    1. The point is that I DO NOT think you are thick or stupid, quite the opposite. I think,no, I know that you could have done it yourself with the right knowledge. If this is happening often then a meeting between local home educators and the council should be taking place. Cheryl does not have a magic wand or more power than you and the other home educators in your area. I have every faith that you can all work on this and turn it around over time. You are also best placed when changes occur within your LA and issues need to be addressed again.

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