Looking at the comments here over the last few days or so will have shown what a tough line my readers take towards lying. The idea that I might once have used an assumed name when writing for newspapers has particularly shocked those of delicate sensibilities. One person said that I;
'has mentioned frequently that he lies if it will benefit his career and thinks everyone else does it.'
This was a reference to the possibility that I might in the past have used a pseudonym. This debate rumbled on for a few days. Unfortunately, those posting rather spoiled their own argument by hiding behind pseudonyms themselves, but we will leave that for now. I am vastly obliged to a reader, who wishes to remain anonymous, for telling me of the existence of the article below;
http://www.theecologist.org/green_green_living/home/268824/how_to_home_educate.html
It is of course written by Mike Fortune-Wood, who runs the HE-UK list. He wrote it under a pseudonym..... What makes this such a breathtaking bit of hypocrisy is that Mike Fortune-Wood, or Fortune-Lee I don't know which is his real name, has been forthright in denouncing me for this very practice, accusing me of lying about my name. I am now informed that he laughingly admits to using false identities to plant stories in the media and elsewhere about home education. This is certainly true. When he wanted to criticise me on the online edition of a national newspaper, he signed the message not with his own name but as Maeske123. Perhaps he couldn't remember that day whether he was called Fortune-Lee or Fortune-Wood; he is a man of many identities and presumably of more than one face!
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Thanks for the link, it's a good piece.
ReplyDeleteI wish your writing could be more like that, Simon.
Anonymous wrote:
ReplyDelete"Thanks for the link, it's a good piece.
I wish your writing could be more like that, Simon."
+1
Well it's good to know that at least two of my regular readers are not stuffy about either false identities or making money from home education by engaging in journalism!
ReplyDeleteSimon said,
ReplyDelete"The idea that I might once have used an assumed name when writing for newspapers has particularly shocked those of delicate sensibilities."
I've never been concerned about use of pseudonyms, it has always been common in writing/literature and, as long as it's not done in order to deceive, I have no problem with it. What you are conveniently ignoring is that you also lied about being a teacher in a national newspaper, presumably to give the article some authority. I also dislike the way you assume everyone lies or exaggerates wildly. You may not see this as an insult (possibly because you do it and don't think it's wrong) but others do. You then usually poke fun at anyone that suggests that lying is wrong for being po-faced, as though truthfulness is something to be ashamed of!
Mike Fortune-Lee, followed by information about web sites and books written by a Mike Fortune-Wood? Do you really think Mike intended to deceive anyone with that? I mean, using two thirds of an unusual name in a minority interest field isn't going to fool anyone. Are you sure it's not just a typo?
ReplyDelete"Do you really think Mike intended to deceive anyone with that?"
ReplyDeleteHard to know why he used a different name otherwise. Also hard to know why he won't use his own name when commenting on websites.
But really, don't you think he would have done better than Mike Fortune-Lee? I know you have a low opinion of autonomous educators but really, he would have to be an idiot to think that people wouldn't connect a Mike Fortune-Lee who has home educating autonomously for 18 years (giving details of the http://www.home-education.org.uk/ web site, two books written by a Mike Fortune-Wood and another by a Jan Fortune-Wood), with a Mike Fortune-Wood who is a well known, long term, autonomous home educator. There's not a single person with the surname Fortune in my phone book, let alone a hyphenated Fortune-?. Wouldn't he have called himself Mike Smith, or even Robert Smith if he wanted a different identity?
ReplyDelete'Wouldn't he have called himself Mike Smith, or even Robert Smith if he wanted a different identity?'
ReplyDeleteIt isn't that hard to come up with a few explanations for this.
Simon appears to be strangely quiet on explaining the teacher claim; does he deny he made such a claim or was he, perhaps, a teacher?
ReplyDeleteWho cares? Cheap point scoring, Simon.
ReplyDeleteI'm very interested in hearing those explanations. The fact that the names are so similar occurred to me as well, and I thought of the same thing as anonymous above.
ReplyDelete"Who cares? Cheap point scoring, Simon"
ReplyDeleteUtterly priceless considering the huge amount of fuss people have made about the possibility of my writing under a different name!
"Simon appears to be strangely quiet on explaining the teacher claim; does he deny he made such a claim or was he, perhaps, a teacher?"
ReplyDeleteAs fast as I explain one thing, people sieze upon another apparent contradiction. My life has been perhaps a little more complicated than some, covering other countries and many jobs. I suppose that one way round this would be for me to gather all my diaries and so on together and produce a detailed timeline together with a CV and publish it all on this blog. If I were applying for a job, I might perhaps go to all that trouble. Why I would do so to satisfy an anonymous busybody is another matter entirely.
"I'm very interested in hearing those explanations. "
ReplyDeleteOne would be for tax purposes, having a separate account for earnings from journalism. In this case, it would be enough if the name were just slightly different from the actual name. Another would be if he were under contract to a newspaper or magazine and had promised not to write for any other publication. There are dozens of possible explanations.
"I suppose that one way round this would be for me to gather all my diaries and so on together and produce a detailed timeline together with a CV and publish it all on this blog."
ReplyDeleteSurely it's not necessary to go to this extreme to explain why you say in a newspaper article about education in schools that you are a teacher but on a home education email list you say you are not?
Simon said:
ReplyDelete"As fast as I explain one thing, people sieze upon another apparent contradiction"
followed by a lot of obfuscation and predictable whining about anonymity.
If the contradiction is only "apparent", what's the answer? We're not interested in your life story, merely something that's pertinent to the way in which you propagate your views on home education.
This is pertinent because such views and the purported authority behind them might have an effect on the wider body of home educators and their children.
The "busybodies" are those - like you - attempting to impose their views on others; that's why we're asking the question. If you deny attempting to impose your view, why are expounding such views with a clear attempt to have influence - or are you merely seeking attention?
"One would be for tax purposes, having a separate account for earnings from journalism. In this case, it would be enough if the name were just slightly different from the actual name. Another would be if he were under contract to a newspaper or magazine and had promised not to write for any other publication. There are dozens of possible explanations."
ReplyDeleteSo in an attempt to defraud he is stupid enough to change a minor part of his name - such a minor part given the contents of the article that he would fool nobody? Pull the other one, Simon.
"One would be for tax purposes...". Okay, those are possibilities, but they don't hold much water, as far as I can see. A dodge like calling himself Michael Fortune or Michael Wood would be more appropriate for these strategies, because the name is so similar, especially the first name. Either it is a typo or he wanted to keep closely to his original name for some reason, in which case this doesn't really count as a pseudonym. It would be like you using the pseudonym Simon Webber.
ReplyDeleteIt is of course very childish of me, but this whole teacher/not teacher thing is becoming like some wierd parlour game which I am quite beginning to enjoy. Simply to offer the dull truth of the matter would take all the fun out of it! In the meantime, I shall continue to be absurdly flattered that the minor details of my life are apparently of so much more interest to some people than the wider ideas of education.
ReplyDelete"So in an attempt to defraud he is stupid enough to change a minor part of his name - such a minor part given the contents of the article that he would fool nobody? Pull the other one, Simon."
ReplyDeleteHappens all the time in writing for money. For example, man whose name is Simon Webb might be published in a woman's magazine as Simone Webb! I am guessing here that none of the people here are used to the world of freelance writing. Of course this may not be the correct expalnation at all; it is just one of several possibilities. I am also waiting to hear just why people think that it is OK for Mike Fortune-Wood to post comments on the Internet under completely false identities such as Maeske123. Does this not suggest anything to you about the man's character, that he would praise his own work and condemn others using a pseudonym. Pretty tricksy, I would say.
'This is pertinent because such views and the purported authority behind them might have an effect on the wider body of home educators and their children.'
ReplyDeleteSimon, are you claiming somewhere to be an authority on home education? LOL!
Anyone can have some personal experience of HE, read, discuss, have opinions and write about them. Me. You. If people then accuse us of claiming to be an authority then surely that's their own silly fault.
Simon sounds like he has had a long and interesting life, not unlike my own, but I don't particularly like the thought of untold numbers of anonymouses knowing the details of mine, either.
The most pertinent history Simon has is that of a long-time home-educating parent. It seems like some people want him to be more than that, to set him up on the pedestal of 'authority' so they can knock him down. (Sorry for talking about you in the 3rd person.)
He's just a Dad, with the right to blether in public. (Long live free speech.) So, he's just like any of the double-barrelled Dads who do the same thing.
Mrs Anon, waiting to get it in the neck now...
"Mrs Anon, waiting to get it in the neck now..."
ReplyDeleteBrave woman indeed Mrs Anon to poke your head above the parapet in this way!
Simon said:
ReplyDelete"It is of course very childish of me, but this whole teacher/not teacher thing is becoming like some wierd parlour game which I am quite beginning to enjoy."
I'm glad you're having as much fun as we are; now stop prevaricating and "fess up"!
I'm surprised you're taking so long to think of something; you're usually a little quicker in your creative writing.
"I'm surprised you're taking so long to think of something; you're usually a little quicker in your creative writing. "
ReplyDeleteYou are right and if it were merely a matter of cobbling together an ingenious lie to explain this I could have knocked up a dozen over the last few months. The fact that I have not done so should give you a clue.
"He's just a Dad, with the right to blether in public. (Long live free speech.) So, he's just like any of the double-barrelled Dads who do the same thing."
ReplyDeleteExcept that he has campaigned (though newspaper articles and evidence to government, etc) to end a form of education he disagrees with. I don't know any other home educators who have done this. In fact, I know many who do the opposite and actively support people with alternate views.
I think the name thing is irrelevant, many people use pseudonyms, but stating that he is a teacher in an article about schools suggests that he lies when he thinks the lie will support his case and give it more authority. It does make me wonder what else he has lied about.
He says he contacted Coventry college and they were surprised to hear that home educators might think their intensive is suitable for them, that it's aimed at foreign students. I contacted the same college on the same day and was told that they regularly have home educators on that course. Whilst I agree it's entirely possible (and even probable) that he just spoke to the wrong person, the 'evidence' of lies elsewhere (he may not have lied, there may be a reasonable explanation for that too, the editor may have added that detail, for instance) creates doubt about other things he claims. He has often claimed to have contacted Colleges and Universities and been told that home educators would not get in without GCSEs/A levels. Do we believe him? Did he speak to the right person? Did he speak to anyone? Can you not see why trust is important?
I am entirely willing to accept that there are innocent explanations for errors or misunderstandings, but continually side-stepping explanations isn't going to improve trust on either side.
"Mrs Anon, waiting to get it in the neck now..."
Hope you don't experience this as 'getting it in the neck'.
I wrote,
ReplyDelete"home educators might think their intensive is suitable for them"
and I should have written,
"home educators might think their intensive GCSE course is suitable for them"
"He says he contacted Coventry college and they were surprised to hear that home educators might think their intensive is suitable for them, that it's aimed at foreign students. I contacted the same college on the same day and was told that they regularly have home educators on that course. Whilst I agree it's entirely possible (and even probable) that he just spoke to the wrong person"
ReplyDeleteThere is something very odd about this. I also emailed the college last week and have received no reply so far. So I have spoken to two people and sent an email and the response so far is that they would not expect home educated children to be going on this course. I am puzzled about not receiving an answer to my own email, but do not immediately jump to the conclusion that you are lying about your claim to have sent an email and recievied a reply. Perhaps this is one of the differences between us.
"He has often claimed to have contacted Colleges and Universities and been told that home educators would not get in without GCSEs/A levels. Do we believe him? Did he speak to the right person? Did he speak to anyone? Can you not see why trust is important?"
ReplyDeleteA fair question. The obvious solution would be for those who claim that colleges and universities take such students to give the names of the establishments and the names of the people to whom they spoke about this. This is never done and so I am compelled to chase the matters up for myself. I have actually posted email exchanges which I have had with various universities on this subject.
"Except that he has campaigned (though newspaper articles and evidence to government, etc) to end a form of education he disagrees with."
ReplyDeleteAnd others have campaigned through newspaper articles and evidence to the government to maintain this form of education. I can't see why either course of action should place anybody in a special category as far as trust is concerned.
"I am puzzled about not receiving an answer to my own email, but do not immediately jump to the conclusion that you are lying about your claim to have sent an email and recievied a reply."
ReplyDeleteDid you not notice the repeated suggestions that you may well not be lying and that it could be a false impression caused by error and misunderstanding?
"Perhaps this is one of the differences between us."
Err, aren't you the person that usually assumes most people lie and exaggerate about everything?
"I have actually posted email exchanges which I have had with various universities on this subject."
ReplyDeleteDo you ask permission to post theses exchanges on the internet? I could have given you the name of the person I spoke to at Coventry rather than just the email address but don't like to without permission and don't particularly want to make a nuisance of myself by asking. There is a danger that if we pester people like this they may begin to associate home educators with extra work and hassle. I suspect that this may be why others do not give you the names of their contacts but would in all likelihood give it to a child who is actually interested in applying for the course in question.
"Did you not notice the repeated suggestions that you may well not be lying and that it could be a false impression caused by error and misunderstanding?"
ReplyDeleteBut since you raised the topic in connection with my trustworthiness and the accusations that I am a liar, there is bound to be an implication that this is part of the same pattern.
"And others have campaigned through newspaper articles and evidence to the government to maintain this form of education. I can't see why either course of action should place anybody in a special category as far as trust is concerned."
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't. Dirty tricks on either side are not good, hence my comment about uncorrected errors or misunderstandings not improving trust on either side. Have you asked Mike why he used a different name?
"But since you raised the topic in connection with my trustworthiness and the accusations that I am a liar, there is bound to be an implication that this is part of the same pattern."
ReplyDeleteI think I also made it clear that it's entirely possible that there is no pattern of lies and that there are innocent explanations for the whole history. If not, I'm correcting it now by making that suggestion here.
"Except that he has campaigned (though newspaper articles and evidence to government, etc) to end a form of education he disagrees with. I don't know any other home educators who have done this. In fact, I know many who do the opposite and actively support people with alternate views."
ReplyDeleteI don't think he wants to end it. That's a bit of an exaggeration. Personally, I disgree with Simon's belief in the need to change the current situation and have said so quite a bit here. I admit he's a bit annoying sometimes, but that's democracy for you!
'He has often claimed to have contacted Colleges and Universities and been told that home educators would not get in without GCSEs/A levels.'
Well, I do because I've done the exact same thing. For eg, none of our local (within a 45 min drive) take students without GCSE's onto Level 3 academic courses, although for YEARS the HE community popular myth was that there was no need to do (I)GCSE's because you could just go to college straight into A Levels without them. This has been dispelled in the last few years thanks to the actual information being more widely available on groups like HEExams.
He's right to challenge those myths. And all HE'ers ought to be doing their own research about what the situation is, otherwise they could be in for a shock later down the line.
'Hope you don't experience this as 'getting it in the neck'.'
No, of course not, you were very polite :-)
Mrs Anon
I am having another of those 'Alice in Wonderland' moments! An anonymous person says;
ReplyDelete'I could have given you the name of the person I spoke to at Coventry rather than just the email address but don't like to without permission and don't particularly want to make a nuisance of myself by asking. There is a danger that if we pester people like this they may begin to associate home educators with extra work and hassle.'
Let me see if I have this perfectly clear. You have the details of a college in the Midlands where home educated children without any formal qualifications may study for GCSEs. You also have the name of the person to whom home educators should speak about this course, but you wish to keep it secret in case home educators wish to speak to the person about the course. Have I got this right so far? You also say that I am not trustworthy because you claim to have detected a discrepancy betwen an article I wrote for the Telegraph in 2004 and something I said on an internet list five years later. As a consequence, they would be better off trusting an anonymous stranger who refuses to reveal either name, gender or email address. Is this right so far?
I do not prtend to understand all this. My daughter took her IGCSEs at the David Game College in London. The examinations officer is Mr M Kahn. Why on earth would I want to keep this secret from other home educators? I find your whole attitude a little odd. Most home educators wish to help each other by passing on useful information like this, not conceal it in order to save schools and colleges the trouble of being pestered by home educators!
"You also have the name of the person to whom home educators should speak about this course, but you wish to keep it secret in case home educators wish to speak to the person about the course. Have I got this right so far?"
ReplyDeleteOf course not. I gave you the email address and cannot understand why you did not receive a reply. I received replies within 12 hours on the 3 occasions I wrote to them. I have also given the information, including the name of my contact, to a home ed contact in Warwick so that anyone in that area are more likely to learn about the course.
"Most home educators wish to help each other by passing on useful information like this, not conceal it in order to save schools and colleges the trouble of being pestered by home educators!"
I'm not concerned about home educators who are genuinely interested in applying for a place contacting schools and colleges, but I am less certain about the benefit of you contacting them just to make a point on a blog.
"Well, I do because I've done the exact same thing. For eg, none of our local (within a 45 min drive) take students without GCSE's onto Level 3 academic courses, although for YEARS the HE community popular myth was that there was no need to do (I)GCSE's because you could just go to college straight into A Levels without them."
ReplyDeleteThis has been my experience too and I have always recommended that people research this type of thing early. However, I also know of young people who have been accepted on courses without the published requirements so it works both ways. Sometimes a little early research can save a lot of unnecessary work.
"but I am less certain about the benefit of you contacting them just to make a point on a blog. "
ReplyDeleteMy reason for publicising colleges and universities which may allow home educated students to take IGCSEs or study have nothing to do with making a point on this blog.
"I'm not concerned about home educators who are genuinely interested in applying for a place contacting schools and colleges,"
ReplyDeleteMore 'Alice in Wonderland'! You have the name of a person at a college in Coventry who can help home educated children with no formal qualifications study for GCSEs. You will not reveal this person's name because, in your words,
' There is a danger that if we pester people like this they may begin to associate home educators with extra work and hassle.'
You will give the name to any genuine home educators, but will not tell them who you are or how they can get in touch with you to obtain the name. Right so far? You have however given the name to somebody in Warwick, whose name and contact details are also to remain secret. I have to tell you, if I had the name of the person at Coventry who could help home educated children get onto a course for five GCSEs in a year; I would publish it like a shot. I can see that this has all the makings of another urban myth about HE!
I've given the email address and a link to the course web page, why is this not good enough? Maybe the individual would not like people to be able to google her name and find it here? I'm not sure I would want her to read some of the comments you let through here, it might put her off the idea of home educators (I notice chessman is back).
ReplyDeleteIt was perfectly clear from her email that home educators are well known at the college and regularly accepted on the course. I gave full details of the course web site here on this blog. I've given the email address used to contact this person. Anyone with half a brain should be able to find out more.
" I've given the email address used to contact this person. Anyone with half a brain should be able to find out more."
ReplyDeleteTrue, you gave the info@ email address for the college. I have emailed this address several times without getting a response. I have followed this up with a telephone call and been told that there is only a skeleton staff at the moment. You say that you sent no fewer than three emails to which you received detailed replies. May I know what dates these were?
I have the names of the admissions team in front of me as I write. I cannot for the life of me imagine why you are being so coy about telling us which one you have spoken to.
Are you sure it's not going into a spam filter?
ReplyDeleteActually I was mistaken about the number of email, it was two rather than three (mixed it up with another conversation). The first was sent on the 29th at 12:29 and the reply was sent on the 30th at 8:41. My second message was sent on the 30th at 9:55 and the reply sent at 14:13. I've explained why I'd rather not connect her name with your blog, but her initial are AH if that helps?
Slowly but surely, the facts are beginning to emerge about the Intensive GCSE course at Coventry City College. I had a long conversation a few minutes ago with somebody called Mark Buonsenca. He may be reached on 024 769-1000. I made notes during the conversation. He told me that this GCSE course is designed for, as he called them, 'immigrants' and 'new arrivals to the UK'. I had already been told this by somebody else at the college. It was not for 'people who have just not got around to taking GCSEs'. Again, his words. There are home educated children at the college, although those without GCSEs tend to go for voacational subjects. He was interested to hear about this idea that home educated children have been on this GCSE course in the past and didn't appear to be aware of this. I promised that I would get more details. The person who deals with applications for this course is called Shirley and she will be away until Monday. Having got this far, anonymous, are you still determined not to tell us who you have been speaking to at the college yourself? I shall find put in the end if this couse is suitable for home educated children who wish to take GCSEs and cannot understand why you do not seem anxious to help publicise such a course.
ReplyDeleteI copied the details above to my contact and asked for clarification at 12:56 and received the following reply at 14:11.
ReplyDeleteEach young person will be looked at on their merit and if you check out the course on the website it does not exclude home schooled children. The course has been heavily over-subscribed this year but as I said, any young person interested in joining the course in 2011 is welcome to come to our open evening later in the year. Details of the open evening will be advertised on the website. We hope to run a GCSE course in 2011 but with the present cutbacks we cannot guarantee anything. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
This does not look as though any home educated children are on the course, have been on the course or are expected to be on the course. this is as I suspected. I shall post further on this next week when I have spoken to a couple of other people at the college. In the meantime, I think that we may safely assume that this course is indeed for 'recent arrivals to the UK' and, as I first said, a money spinner for the college. The question to ask is, were any home educated young people on this course last year and are all those booked on for Septemeber this year born outside the UK?
ReplyDelete"He says he contacted Coventry college and they were surprised to hear that home educators might think their intensive is suitable for them, that it's aimed at foreign students. I contacted the same college on the same day and was told that they regularly have home educators on that course. Whilst I agree it's entirely possible (and even probable) that he just spoke to the wrong person, the 'evidence' of lies elsewhere (he may not have lied, there may be a reasonable explanation for that too, the editor may have added that detail, for instance) creates doubt about other things he claims."
ReplyDeleteJust to remind readers of what this anonymous claimed a few days ago. Note the use of the word 'lies' being used to create doubt about my dealings with this college. Note also that it is claimed that she was ' was told that they regularly have home educators on that course.' This is not at all what the email quoted above says. Nor is is what the college told me today. Interesting how eager this person is to brand me a liar! May we now see what was actually said by the college to the effect that they have regularly had home educated children on this course? Or perhaps the name of the person who said this? Accusing somebody of lying is a very serious matter and it is always as well to make absolutely sure that you are completely honest yourself when you make such accusations, otherwise you might end up in a frightful pickle as you try frantically to retain your reputation for straight-dealing.
Thank you, anonymous. It has been like drawing teeth, but I finally got the name from you. I shall post further about this when I have checked out a bit more.
ReplyDeleteThat's not the name of my correspondent, it's the name of the course tutor.
ReplyDeleteAnd incidentally included by accident so apologies in advance to him if he should object to his name being published on-line without permission. Is it possible for you to asterisk his name out, Simon?
ReplyDeleteInteresting article about on-line privacy and the recent changes at Facebook:
ReplyDeleteWhy Facebook is Wrong: Privacy is Still Important
Do people no longer need to keep access to some of their personal information online limited just to trusted friends? Facebook seems to be arguing that they don't.
There is a long list of people who clearly do, though, including: people who've escaped abusive relationships, people with marginalized religious or sexual preferences, people who fear losing their jobs or who've been pushed around by bullies throughout their lives. That list adds up to a very large portion of the world, in fact.
Meant to include this quote too:
ReplyDeleteConsider this comment left by one of our readers in response to Zuckerberg's statement this weekend.
"As a person who is being stalked for being an innocent bystander in a child custody case, I can tell you that losing my choices over what is searchable or not is huge. I have nothing to hide nor be ashamed of but the loss of choice for my privacy has hit home in a poignant manner."
Stories like that are far more common than you might think and removing user control over what's public removes the ability for millions of people to safely participate on Facebook.
I have been unable to find any staff names published on the Coventry City College web site. If you cannot remove just the tutors name, can you remove the whole post, Simon?
ReplyDeleteThank you for removing the post Simon. I hope you don't mind me reposting most it with the name removed.
ReplyDeleteSimon wrote,
"This does not look as though any home educated children are on the course, have been on the course or are expected to be on the course. this is as I suspected."
Why would you conclude this from the quote? For what it's worth, this is from an earlier email:
We have always taken home educated young people who need to take GCSE's. The course tutor is **** and if any other home educated young people are interested I suggest that they come along to our open evening in November where they can find out more about what is on offer.
Also, if you check their web site as my correspondent request you will see that it states, "If you have not yet gained any GCSEs because, for example, you are a recent arrival to the UK or you attended school in the UK but missed the opportunity to achieve your GCSE qualifications, this course may be for you." Recent arrivals are listed as an example of the type of person who might join the course - it's not a requirement.
Finе аrticle but I'm not sure that I agree. Then again, folks consider me tricky at the best of times! Thanks.
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